2nd fundamental theorem of calculus

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The discussion centers around the Second Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC), its definitions, interpretations, and applications. Participants explore various perspectives on how the theorem is presented in different textbooks and its implications for evaluating definite integrals.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note confusion regarding the naming and ordering of the fundamental theorems of calculus as presented in different textbooks.
  • One participant mentions that Finney's book presents the second FTC as the Integral Evaluation Theorem, which they argue is the first according to Mathworld.
  • Another participant states that they have encountered both definitions in various books but emphasizes that teachers typically focus on the application rather than the specific numbering of the theorems.
  • A participant provides a formula for the second FTC, stating that if a function is Riemann integrable and Lipschitz continuous, the integral from a to b equals the difference of the function evaluated at those points.
  • There is a question regarding the first FTC, with a participant seeking clarification on its statement and proof.
  • Another participant describes the first FTC as relating to the differentiation of the integral of a continuous function, asserting that G'(x) equals f(x) under certain conditions.
  • One participant mentions the Riemann Sum in relation to finding values under a curve, suggesting a connection to the discussion of integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of the fundamental theorems of calculus, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist. There is no consensus on a singular definition or application of the theorems.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions and interpretations of the fundamental theorems across different textbooks, as well as the dependence on specific conditions for the theorems to hold true.

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Can some on pleases explain this too me. I have an AP book, and i am to do a few problems out of it for class, and but can't find it in there ANY WHERE. Any help would be superb!
-Jacob
 
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Finney's book has this backwards... The second F of C is the Integral Evaluation Theorem... Which is the mathworld's 1st...

Its hand stuff!
 
I've seen it both ways in several books. Luckily, no teacher has ever asked me to state FTC #1 or state FTC #2, they've only asked me to be able to use them.
Did you try any of the problems yet?
 
Do you need to understand the proofs? Or just understand the idea?

FTC#2 says
[itex]\int^b_a f(x)dx = F(b) - F(a)[/itex]

where the anti-derivative of f(x) is F(x)

So what you are probably using this Thrm for is evaluating definite integrals (ones with A and B stated).

So what you do is find the anti-derivative of f(x) i.e. F(x), and then evaluate that anti-derivative at a and b, then take the absolute value of their difference.

For example if we wanted to evaluate:

[itex]\int^5_1 3x^2dx[/itex]

we would first find the anti derivative of 3x^2.

Which is x^3.

Then we would evaluate x^3 at 1 and 5 which gives us, 1 and 125. We subtract 1 from 125 and get 124, hence:

[itex]\int^5_1 3x^2dx = 124[/itex]
 
thanx you guys. I know how to do those with my eyes closed, its just that my AP book has a real habit of doing things w/o thouroughly explaining them. thanks again ill tell my friends about this site!
-Jacob
 
2nd FTC: If f is any riemann integrable function on the closed bounded interval [a,b], and G is a Lipschitz - continuous function such that for every point x where f is continuous, G is diiferentiable at x with G'(x) = f(x), then the integral of f from a to b, equals G(b)-G(a).

Recall that G is lipschitz continuous on [a,b] if there exists a constant K such that for all points u,v in [a,b] we have |G(v) - G(u)| <= K|v-u|.
 
Is the first theorem just:

y=x^n
dy/dx=nx^n-1

Is that it?

I wrote general proof for the derivative of a function x^n. Using limits of course, and I ended with nx^n-1, which is what you are suppose to get.

I never seen the proof yet, and it would be great to do it independently.

So, what is the 1st Fundamental Theorem(in most books)?
 
in most books it says that if f is continuous on [a,b] and G(x) is the integral of f from a to x, then G is differentiable on [a,b] and G'(x) = f(x) for every x in [a,b].

The more general statement is that if f is a Riemann integrable function on [a,b] and G(x) again is the injtegral of f from a to x, then G is Lipschitz continuous, and G is differentiable with G'(x) = f(x) at those points where f is continuous.

Then to derive the 2nd thm from the first you need the generalized mean value theorem, that a function G which is lipschitz continuous and has derivative equal to zero almost everywhere (i.e. except on a set of measure zero) is constant.

in most books the 2nd thm just says that if f is continuous on [a,b] and G is continuous on [a,b] with G'(x) = f(x) for all x in (a,b), then the integral of f from a to b, equals G(b)-G(a).
 
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The Riemann Sum?

You can find the value under a curse with it.
 

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