Stuck on Relativity Implications and LQG Images?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of relativity, specifically in relation to the GPS navigation system, and seeks suggestions for images related to Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG) for a History Day project. The scope includes theoretical implications of relativity and visual representations of LQG concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the GPS system relies on principles of relativity, as it would not function correctly under Newtonian mechanics.
  • One participant notes that the clocks on satellites must be adjusted to run slightly faster due to the effects of special relativity, which affects their timekeeping relative to observers on Earth.
  • Another participant mentions that without general relativity's accurate predictions of gravity, various space missions would be miscalculated, leading to significant navigational errors.
  • There is a request for suggestions on images that could represent LQG, with one participant mentioning a psychedelic depiction of a spin network as their current choice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of relativity in the functioning of GPS systems, but the discussion remains open regarding suitable images for LQG, with no consensus on specific suggestions yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the details of how relativity affects GPS and the implications for LQG imagery, indicating a need for further exploration of these topics.

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Hey,
I am in the process of redoing a History Day board for the state competition. Of coarse, I did mine on physics. I have a problem though. I'm stuck on 2 things.

1) A real life implication of something to do with Relativity (special of general).

2) Another picture I could put for LQG. Any ideas would be splended.


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1) From what I've heard, the GPS navigating system wouldn't work if it had been based solely on Newtonian mechanics.
I'm not sure about this, though; it might be worth checking out nonetheless.
 
1) Correct, GPS would not work without the clocks in the sattelites being built to run a little "fast". The speed of the moving sattelite means that time slows down for it, andf the clocks run at "normal" speed. At the speeds they go, if the sattelite's clock was off by just a fraction of a second, it would calculate its own position to be miles from where it actually was. That's special relativity. Without GR's more acurate predictions of gravity (and therefore orbital dynamics), The Mars Rovers, the Cassini rpobe to Saturn, and all our exploratory craft would go off course and miss there targets.

2) What is your current picture?
 
LURCH said: 1) Correct, GPS would not work without the clocks in the sattelites being built to run a little "fast". The speed of the moving sattelite means that time slows down for it, andf the clocks run at "normal" speed. At the speeds they go, if the sattelite's clock was off by just a fraction of a second, it would calculate its own position to be miles from where it actually was. That's special relativity. Without GR's more acurate predictions of gravity (and therefore orbital dynamics), The Mars Rovers, the Cassini rpobe to Saturn, and all our exploratory craft would go off course and miss there targets.
arildno said:1) From what I've heard, the GPS navigating system wouldn't work if it had been based solely on Newtonian mechanics.
Thanks guys, that works great.
LURCH said:2) What is your current picture?
I have a picture of a tv (photoelectric cells) and rubber gloves (more particle physics than relativity.

What you guys said helps a lot. That's what I will use. Thanks.

Still open to comments on LQG implications.

Paden Roder
 
LOL! no, no, no; I meant this;

PRodQuanta said:
Hey,


2) Another picture I could put for LQG. Any ideas would be splended.


Paden Roder

What is your current picture? :biggrin:
 
LURCH said:What is your current picture?
Sorry, my current picture consist of something that portrays a spin network. Really, it's just a psychedelic picture of space. That's why I'm open to suggestions.

Paden Roder
 

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