Solving Double Integrals with Change of Variables

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the topic of change of variables in double integrals, focusing on how to create transformations when they are not provided. Participants explore sources for understanding this concept and share insights on specific problems related to the topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks sources to understand how to create transformations for double integrals when they are not given.
  • Another participant recommends Marsden&Tromba's "Vector Calculus" for an intuitive understanding of change of variables, highlighting its focus on generating proper area elements.
  • A different participant suggests a more rigorous treatment can be found in Marsden's "Introduction to Real Analysis."
  • One participant proposes specific transformations, u=2x-y and v=3x+y, for the problem at hand, indicating that the region is bounded by pairs of parallel lines.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the suggestion, indicating a newfound understanding of how to approach the problems.
  • Another participant likens change of variables to "U-substitution" in single-variable calculus, noting a preference against calculating determinants in triple integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants share various viewpoints and suggestions, with no clear consensus on a single approach or method for creating transformations. The discussion remains exploratory and open-ended.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the process of creating transformations and the specific conditions under which they can be applied. There are references to bounded regions and the nature of the transformations, but no definitive conclusions are drawn.

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Does anyone know of any sources that explain change of variables for double integrals. Actually, I get the change of variables thing, but a few of our problems don't give us the transforms. I don't understand how to create these myself.

Here is an example:
Math Problem

So far, I found all the x,y coordinates of the joints because I know these joints or cross sections will exist after we change variables. However, I don't know where to go from there. Can I essentially make any transform I like?
 
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1) Sources:
In my opinion, an excellent intuitive understanding of the change of variables stuff can be found in Marsden&Tromba "Vector Calculus" (Lots of editions..).
Instead of "burdening" the reader with rigorous proofs of the change-of-variables theorem, it has a clear focus on how to generate the "proper" area elements dA. (Lots of worked examples as well!)

If you want a more rigorous treatment, one book is Marsden "Introduction to Real Analysis"

2) Problem:
Note that your region is bounded by two pairs of parallell lines.
Try setting u=2x-y, v=3x+y, and see what you get.
 
arildno said:
2) Problem:
Note that your region is bounded by two pairs of parallell lines.
Try setting u=2x-y, v=3x+y, and see what you get.

Wow, thank you. You just pointed out a valuable thing to me. I think I "get" what I'm supposed to do for these problems now. Thank you. :biggrin:
 
Yes that is the way to go--- I just consider C o V as the "U-substitution" chapter but for Double Integrals. (Or even triple--- but i hate calculating 3x3 determinants!)
 

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