Reforming Australia's Prison System: Am I Insanely Cruel or Logical?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived flaws in the Australian prison system, with a focus on proposed reforms to categorize prisoners based on the severity of their crimes. Participants explore the implications of such a system, comparing it to prison systems in other countries, including the US and UK.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the Australian prison system is ineffective, citing high costs and lenient sentences for serious crimes.
  • The proposed reform suggests categorizing prisoners into three classes based on the nature of their crimes, with varying levels of comfort and sentence lengths.
  • Class 1 prisons would house non-violent offenders with a focus on rehabilitation, while Class 3 prisons would have minimal resources for violent offenders, potentially leading to permanent sentences.
  • Another participant comments on the disparities in sentencing in the US, where non-violent crimes can lead to longer sentences than violent ones.
  • Further contributions highlight issues in the US prison system, including early releases for good behavior and high recidivism rates due to inadequate rehabilitation.
  • A participant mentions the UK prison system, noting that some inmates prefer prison life due to better living conditions compared to life outside.

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Participants express varying views on the effectiveness and fairness of prison systems across different countries, with no consensus reached on the proposed reform or its implications.

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Participants' claims are based on personal observations and experiences with prison systems, which may not reflect comprehensive data or studies.

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I don't know anything about prison systems overseas, but the Australian system is truly messed up. On average, a criminal in prison costs us AU$55,000 per year (I think that is the figure). Rapists and murderers and such are often released for crazy arse reasons after a couple of years. Sometimes relatively safe white collar criminals are put in with murderers and such. Many of them have internet access, TV and video, swimming pools, very nice gymnasiums, and more. Basically it's a big joke.

I had the idea that our prison system should be as follows:

Class 1 prisons:
- White collar crims, those who have shown no violence in their crimes.
- They get the most spent on their comforts and security, and the most effort is made for training and such.
- Class 1 criminals should never be in prison as long as any Class 2 criminal. Sentences should be shorter than for Class 2s.

Class 2 prisons:
- Crims who have been violent, but have caused no permanent damage.
- In the middle as far as spending and comforts and such are concerned.
- Longer sentences than for Class 1s, but not permanent.

Class 3 prisons:
- Crims who have caused some permanent problem, such as murder or rape or mutilation.
- Very little money is spent on them. Bare concrete cells, gruel for dinner, no TV or internet and such; don't spend much on them at all. Do only enough to meet the bare minimum required under international law.
- Since they inflicted permanent harm, their sentence should be permanent. Leave them in until they die.

And leave all cases available to the public for further investigation.

Am I insanely cruel, or is this a logical system?
 
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Here in the US you can get a longer prison term for car theft then you would for rape or murder.
 
Kyle - Yep.

Here in the US, anyone, in for any crime, can get off after about 10% of their term for good behavior. When a jury gives someone life in prison, that prisoner can still get out on parole hearings...

Furthermore, our prisons are so full, because of the lack of reeducation for prisoners, that we let people go all the time on parole. They continue to committ the same or worse crimes.

Boy I wish I was the USA Dictator. In one year this country would improve so much.
 
In the UK you gety let out really early but people want to go back inside because there lifes are better in than out very stupid! sounds like all of the prison systems around the developed world are the same.
 

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