How do you draw a model of an atom?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around how to visually represent different atomic structures, specifically focusing on lithium ions, magnesium atoms, and iron III ions. Participants explore various methods of drawing atoms and ions, including the differences in representation due to charge.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to draw a lithium ion, magnesium atom, and iron III ion, and inquires about the differences between atoms and ions in drawings.
  • Another participant notes the challenge of drawing electrons and explains that atoms have a balanced number of electrons with respect to the nucleus, while ions have an unequal number, resulting in a charge.
  • A different participant suggests using Lewis diagrams or Bohr/Rutherford diagrams for drawing atomic structures, detailing how to represent valence electrons and ions with brackets and superscripts for charge.
  • Another approach mentioned involves using orbital energy level diagrams, and a more advanced method using computational models to solve the Schrödinger equation, although this typically results in probability density plots rather than traditional drawings.
  • One participant describes a theoretical representation of an atom as a dot (the nucleus) surrounded by layers of electrons, suggesting a more abstract visualization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple methods and perspectives for drawing atomic structures, indicating that there is no single agreed-upon approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to represent atoms and ions visually.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of complexity in their proposed methods, with some relying on traditional diagrams while others suggest advanced computational techniques. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness or accuracy of these different approaches.

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if you had a lithium ion, magnesium atom, iron III ion..
how do you draw it?

oh and what is the difference between an atom and an ion when drawing..?

thank you.
 
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Drawing is difficult, since there doesn't seem to be any good way of drawing electrons.

The difference between ions and atoms is in the number of electrons. Atoms have enough electrons to exactly balance the positive charge of the nucleus. Ions may have more less, thus being charged.
 
when drawing the structure, you can use Lewis diagrams or you can use Bhor/Rutherford diagrams. The Lewis diagrams utalize the valence electrons. You put the name of the element, or compound, and draw the bonds, then draw the valence electrons, as little dots. If the structure is an ion, you put big square brackets around the diagram and place a supersript - or + on the top right corner, depending on the charge of the ion. If I were you, use this way to draw, the Bhor/Rutherford way is the Grade 9 method.
 
Another way to "draw" the atom would be an orbital energy level diagram.

Or! you could get fancy and get a computer cluster to solve Schrödinger eq. for your atom, but then that usually only uses hydrogenic orbitals as an approximation. If you want a more accurate "picture" you could turn on relativistic effects. But then, your "drawing" would be nothing more than a 3D probability density plot.
 
Quite simple. But you would need a fairly large piece of paper. The most real theory says it looks like a dot (nucleus) surrounded by bubbles of various forms (electrons spread alond their orbits) that cover the dot in layers.
 

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