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Why angry women will not vote for McCain

by Ivan Seeking
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Ivan Seeking
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Jun2-08, 10:30 PM
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I know that right now a lot of women are very angry and feel that the nomination has been stolen from Hillary. And many people are worried that Hillary supporters may not show up for Obama in November. But, I got to thinking about this and noted that the next President could appoint as many as 4 supreme court justices. Combine that with this little fact:

...[John McCain] "I have stated time after time after time that Roe v Wade was a bad decision, that I support a woman — the rights of the unborn — that I have fought for human rights and human dignity throughout my entire political career," McCain said. "To me, it's an issue of human rights and human dignity."

And while now former candidate Fred Thompson, the former senator from Tennessee, won the coveted endorsement from the National Right to Life Committee, McCain's voting record on the issue is just fine, says David O'Steen, the group's executive director.

"He's been very consistent; he hasn't changed his position," O'Steen says. He says that his group has supported McCain in every one of his senate races. "We've always considered him pro-life," he says.

Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, says her group has always considered McCain pro-life as well. And it's not just abortion, she says.

"He voted against family planning, he voted against the freedom of access to clinic entrances — that was about violence against women in clinics," Keenan says, adding, "He voted against funding for teen pregnancy-prevention programs, and making sure that abstinence only was medically accurate. This is very, very extreme."[continued]
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=18632802

If feminists vote for this guy, then they really deserve what they get; or should I say, what their daughters get. Are women really angry enough to step back four decades?

[Not to mention that Hillary might be the VP... With her strong close in the primary season, it is reported that analysts are taking a hard look at the numbers.]
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Jun2-08, 11:33 PM
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Well said, Ivan. The women who are ticked off now MUST come around by November. And if they don't, they're idiots to play sour grapes with such an important issue. Do they think they're just going to take their ball and go home?!? Give me a break!
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Jun3-08, 08:25 AM
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They are there just to say "count our votes", as in saying "Address our issues or else!!"...But I don't think they'll vote for Mccain because any sane person knows that this means giving Bush an extension - or even worse -
Anyway, I think Hillary will make a great VP and Obama can still attract women's votes.

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Jun3-08, 08:33 AM
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Why angry women will not vote for McCain

They should vote for Nader. He gets it on Roe v. Wade, and he didn't steal his nomination from a woman like Obama did.
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Whistling in the dark, are we?
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Jun3-08, 01:25 PM
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So, Jimmy tries to stoke the phoney fires, and chemistree is hoping beyond hope for the feminst vote.

No, it was actually just an undeniable observation of the facts.

At least our Egyptian friend understands the US.
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Jun3-08, 01:32 PM
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The real concern is not that Hillary supporters will go out and vote for McCain (which would be mind-bogglingly stupid), but rather that they'll simply stay home on election day, which could undermine support for Obama in crucial swing states and so tip the election to McCain.
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Jun3-08, 01:36 PM
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Clinton as VP would be a lightning-rod for Swift-Boat attacks on Travelgate, Whitewater, huge cattle-futures profits, Rose law-firm billing records, Vince Foster's suicide, Bill's serial infidelities, etc, etc. If the Dems want to win in the GE, they must keep her off the ticket at all costs. I think that Obama is smart enough to offer her an early nomination to the Supremes, so she can cement some kind of legacy, and to offer to help her fund-raise to retire her massive debt. She is too old to gain enough seniority in the Senate to claim plum posts. Regarding the debt - lots of it is owed to Mark Penn's company. He will not be shy about suing the Clintons if she does not pony up promptly.
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Quote Quote by turbo-1 View Post
Clinton as VP.
Clinton supporters have made it clear they will not vote for Obama and Obama supporters have made it clear they won't vote for Clinton. An Obama-Clinton ticket will garner two votes tops.
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Jun3-08, 01:53 PM
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Clinton supporters have made it clear they will not vote for Obama and Obama supporters have made it clear they won't vote for Clinton.
Much of what we've heard from angry voters in the last few days has been said in the heat of the moment. After the general election starts, especially after Obama contrasts himself with McCain, cooler heads will prevail.
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Jun3-08, 02:09 PM
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I know that right now a lot of women are very angry and feel that the nomination has been stolen from Hillary. And many people are worried that Hillary supporters may not show up for Obama in November.
During the rules committe hearing this weekend, many angry Hillary supporters near the back of the room left after the vote was announced. Some of them were yelling: "Let's go, McCain!"

I guess they haven't read the new book on McCain - The Real McCain, by Cliff Schecter. Here's a little excerpt:
Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day.
(I think the McCain campaign has denied that incident, but I'm not certain.)

Or maybe they would like to be reminded about the joke McCain made about Chelsea in a GOP fundraiser in 1998:
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"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
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Clinton just stated that she would accept the VP spot [if offered]. Presumably this is within the assumed context that she doesn't pull off a miracle today.
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Clinton just stated that she would accept the VP spot [if offered]. Presumably this is within the assumed context that she doesn't pull off a miracle today.
Obama would be an idiot to offer it, and his advisers know it.
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David Gergen stated last night, "I have evolved on this issue", and the same is true for me. On one hand it undermines Obama's message of change, but Hillary, for all of her faults, has shown herself to be a highly viable and capable candidate. I still want to scream when she starts in on her Clinton-speak, but it is hard to deny the numbers. And it is hard to argue that a woman VP is not change. The fact that this has been a historic event in US political history is also undeniable, as is her role in all of this.

If it takes Hillary to keep McCain out, and more importantly, to get Obama in, then I'm all for it. And Obama is smart enough to know that this call has to be made by the numbers.
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If it takes Hillary to keep McCain out, I'm all for it. And Obama is smart enough to know that this call has to be made by the numbers.
The Reps are not going for McCain in huge numbers - they are mostly quite cool about him, and RL continues to denounce McCain. But a Clinton on the ticket may be all it needs to energize the Republican base to show up in numbers.
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But a Clinton on the ticket may be all it needs to energize the Republican base to show up in numbers.
Yes, that has always been the concern.

In 1998, Chelsea was 18.
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The Reps are not going for McCain in huge numbers - they are mostly quite cool about him, and RL continues to denounce McCain. But a Clinton on the ticket may be all it needs to energize the Republican base to show up in numbers.
That is a huge problem. The RNC is going to support McCain, but his popular support is really spongy. That will change if Obama puts Clinton on the ticket, though if Obama chooses Richardson or Sebelius, there will be some new dynamics amongst the Dems in and Indies (and moderate GOP voters) that will make his campaign unbeatable.
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Not only is there Hillary's high negatives, but another good point made by Gergen was that you don't want to win the election and then spend four years in hell. Not only must the numbers support the vp choice, but there must be reasonable arrangements for the power structure in the White House. Hillary won't accept the job of a silent VP whose biggest challenge is to spell potato.

And then, what do you do with Bill? He has clearly lost his edge and can be dangerous.


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