Register to reply 
Is relativistic effect of length contraction physically real ? 
Share this thread: 
#91
Dec1608, 10:40 PM

P: 107

You will provide evidence of this. Can you answer these simple questions? What is time as it is defined or explained by Einstein in S.R. ? If time dilates then it must be a thing, so what is it? We all know about Einstein's example of the railway carriage and the embankment when he was trying to show relative motion and frames of reference. He basically stated that an observer on the train would consider himself stationary relative to the embankment, and the embankment would be what is in motion. And conversely he stated that an observer on the embankment would consider himself stationary relative to the train, and the train would be in motion relative to embankment. We all know that in order for the train to be in motion a force has to be applied to it. We can all agree that force is applied to trains everyday to get them to move. This is no mystery and is done with ease. Here is the problem, just because there is someone on a moving train that happens to be looking out the window, does in no way apply any force to the embankment to get it to move. The embankment never moves relative to the train. The embankment is not in motion at anytime from any frame of reference. In order to move the embankment a force has to be applied to it, just like a force is required to move the train. If you think that embankments move due to an observer on a moving train, then please provide empirically evidence of this. Try this one on for size. Einstein uses a moving train, a stone, and the embankment to show how time dilation is possible. The example states that an observer on a moving train when he drops a stone will SEE the stone fall down in a straight line from the point of release to the impact on the ground. An observer on the embankment watching the same stone drop will see the stone travel in a parabolic curve. Now since the straight line traversed by the stone is shorter then the curve traversed by the same stone and yet both events took the same amount of time, we are supposed to believe that this is due to some magical time dilation that allows the stone to travel the curved path in the same time as the straight path. This whole idea is false. The stone never travels in a straight line from the point of release to the ground. The stone or any object dropped from a moving frame of reference in an environment that contains gravity will always share the same speed as the moving frame of reference and will fall due to gravity. These two motions will cause the dropped object to have two forces acting on it, the motion (or force) derived from the moving frame and the force of gravity. This will cause the object to travel in a parabolic curve as it falls to the ground. The false data in Einstein's example of time dilation is that the stone actually falls in a straight line when observed by the person one the train. Question. If you think that I am wrong then explain how a mass will fall in a straight line when dropped from a moving body. 


#92
Dec1608, 10:56 PM

Mentor
P: 11,864




#93
Dec1608, 11:01 PM

Emeritus
Sci Advisor
PF Gold
P: 7,336

Length contraction has nothing to do with compression. Remember that the observer moving with the rod measures the same length at all times so nothing is being compressed.
It is more correct to view length contraction as a rotation in space time. Have a friend hold a meter stick some distance way from you perpendicular to the line between the 2 of you. From a distance do a measurement. Now have your friend rotate the meter stick 45deg, measure it again. Now from your view point it is shorter then it was before. Given that, suppose I have a large block of lead weighing several tons. Now if I strike that lead block with a hammer it will dent. Is not that compression with no opposing force? I recommend that you back off from your agressive stance, you are close to getting a infraction. 


Register to reply 
Related Discussions  
Problems on Length contraction  Introductory Physics Homework  9  
Are relativistic effects real ?  Special & General Relativity  71  
Relativistic length contraction  Special & General Relativity  9  
Question Length Contraction  Special & General Relativity  7 