Register to reply

Shape-Shifting Skyscraper Plan

by lisab
Tags: plan, shapeshifting, skyscraper
Share this thread:
Chi Meson
#37
Jun26-08, 10:44 AM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
Chi Meson's Avatar
P: 1,772
I read in the article that the floors will be turned by wind turbines that are between each floor. Wouldn't it be great is such wind turbines were put to useful work instead? Reather than a huge turbine on the roof, dozens of smaller turbines adding to the generation of electricity close to the points of use. That's something worth pursuing.
Moonbear
#38
Jun26-08, 11:00 AM
Emeritus
Sci Advisor
PF Gold
Moonbear's Avatar
P: 12,270
Quote Quote by Chi Meson View Post
I read in the article that the floors will be turned by wind turbines that are between each floor. Wouldn't it be great is such wind turbines were put to useful work instead? Reather than a huge turbine on the roof, dozens of smaller turbines adding to the generation of electricity close to the points of use. That's something worth pursuing.
The early versions I read about said those turbines would also provide power for the residents, not just turning the building. I think that may be the most useful long-term aspect of this project, if it really happens. If people can see first hand that this huge, moving building has its own wind-generated power supply, perhaps incorporating that into future, less "showy" buildings would be an easier sell. This one seems more like the billboard for advertising the "green" technology.
lisab
#39
Jun26-08, 11:02 AM
Mentor
lisab's Avatar
P: 3,005
With all the spinning turbines and rotating floors, I wonder if there will be issues with noise and/or vibration.

I've been in a rotating restaurant that had a somewhat disconcerting bounce-vibration in the floor. When I'm 20 stories off the ground, I like having the feel of terra firma under my feet!
mgb_phys
#40
Jun26-08, 02:18 PM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
P: 8,953
Quote Quote by lisab View Post
When I'm 20 stories off the ground, I like having the feel of terra firma under my feet!
In these buildings the floor is usually cantilevered off the central core anyway so no real difference. Assuming there is an elevator shaft the central core is not going to be rotating
The fun bit is going to be hooking up services, especially water and sewage, if the floor doesn't rotate at the centre.
edward
#41
Jun26-08, 02:53 PM
PF Gold
edward's Avatar
P: 881
I would imagine the buyers of apartments that face Mecca at call to prayer 6 times per day will have to pay a big premium.
WarPhalange
#42
Jun26-08, 03:16 PM
P: 343
Quote Quote by Chi Meson View Post
If I design a building, and build it in Dubai, then I can say that Americans can design a building. That is how it works. Fisher didn't take his design to Dubai because "Dubai has the technology to build it and America doesn't." Some guy in Dubai has the cash, that's all.

Technology is the "smarts" as well as the machinery. I'm not flag-waving here saying "we're number one" or anything stupid like that. Especially considering that many nationalities are probably represented in the designing phase of every technological advancement. But I think it is incorrect to say that the US is far behind in "technology." That's too broad a statement to be true. Understanding what can be done with current materials and methods is what lead to the breakthrough design of this building. If American technology was so far behind the rest of the world, then this building could not have been designed because the materials could not have been understood.
This really isn't too hard. Japan has electronics that we don't = we are behind Japan. I don't care if the Military has them or that we can build them. That doesn't matter in the slightest. The public doesn't see it therefore we don't have it.

Just like if I were to give you some food, but instead put it in the fridge and lock it shut. Do you have the food? No, because you can't eat it. It's just there and that's pointless.


"We could but we just don't want to." isn't an excuse.
Chi Meson
#43
Jun26-08, 07:05 PM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
Chi Meson's Avatar
P: 1,772
Quote Quote by mgb_phys View Post
The fun bit is going to be hooking up services, especially water and sewage, if the floor doesn't rotate at the centre.
I was just thinking about how they do that. Electrical connections would be "simple" but what about those fluid and "effluent" pipes? One thought is that each floor has its own clean water cistern and waste/grey water holder. At one point on the circular route there might be valves that refill or release the specific fluids.

Interesting problem.
Chi Meson
#44
Jun26-08, 07:07 PM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
Chi Meson's Avatar
P: 1,772
Quote Quote by WarPhalange View Post
Japan has electronics that we don't = we are behind Japan.
That statement I can agree with. Your original statement, I still do not.
WarPhalange
#45
Jun26-08, 08:17 PM
P: 343
That is my original statement.
Crosson
#46
Jun26-08, 08:46 PM
P: 1,295
Quote Quote by Chi Meson View Post
I read in the article that the floors will be turned by wind turbines that are between each floor. Wouldn't it be great is such wind turbines were put to useful work instead? Reather than a huge turbine on the roof, dozens of smaller turbines adding to the generation of electricity close to the points of use. That's something worth pursuing.
Wouldn't the sound of these wind turbines be deafening?

And what about the sound of the motors etc which rotate the parts of the building?
GeorginaS
#47
Jun26-08, 10:50 PM
GeorginaS's Avatar
P: 380
Quote Quote by DaveC426913 View Post
I doubt that superstars who buy $40 million summer getaway homes in the Middle East feel the need for a warm & fuzzy static view out their front window.
Well, I suppose I'm not a "superstar" because I enjoy feeling properly oriented. It's got nothing to do with warmth and/or fuzziness, either. It's got to do with having travelled constantly for a decade of my life and it taking me a very long time of sleeping in different hotel rooms to adjust to the concept of not knowing where I am. I swore they should make hotel rooms standardised so I'd always know which direction the bathroom was when I woke at 3:00 a.m.

I don't enjoy feeling disoriented. Maybe if I were a "superstar" I wouldn't have that issue.
Chi Meson
#48
Jun27-08, 07:07 AM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
Chi Meson's Avatar
P: 1,772
Quote Quote by WarPhalange View Post
That is my original statement.
Japan has an advanced infrastructure and market for electronic gadgets. But electronics and Japan have nothing to do with this building that is planned to be built in Dubai, nor why it is not first being built in the US. I also don't agree that the statment "Japan has better cell phones and better cars" (although quite true) equates with "US is pretty far behind" [everyone else?] in technology. I have a broader interpretation of that word than you.

So I think we can see each other's point of view; let's get out of the way of the OP.
Kurdt
#49
Jun27-08, 07:32 AM
Emeritus
Sci Advisor
PF Gold
P: 4,980
Why is everyone so bothered that its not being built in the US first?
Chi Meson
#50
Jun27-08, 07:57 AM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
Chi Meson's Avatar
P: 1,772
Quote Quote by Kurdt View Post
Why is everyone so bothered that its not being built in the US first?
Personally, I'm not. This design is currently planned to be built second in Moscow, then third in the US. By that time they'll have worked out the bugs, and the costs will be less. We'll also know if the damn thing doesn't work by then. This building is radically new in design and building methods. Who wants to keep the first one of anything like that?

US architecture and structural engineering is responsible for many of the signature buildings around the world. This is a much better way for the world to see us.
AhmedEzz
#51
Jun27-08, 08:23 AM
P: 111
US architecture and structural engineering is responsible for many of the signature buildings around the world. This is a much better way for the world to see us.
Quite agree, I hope the stupid wealthy Arabs could get that in their heads.
Kurdt
#52
Jun27-08, 08:26 AM
Emeritus
Sci Advisor
PF Gold
P: 4,980
I was under the impression the architect was Italian.
DaveC426913
#53
Jun27-08, 08:49 AM
DaveC426913's Avatar
P: 15,319
Quote Quote by Kurdt View Post
Why is everyone so bothered that its not being built in the US first?
Because much of America, due to their insular culture and media focus, are convinced that they're the greatest nation in the world?
Chi Meson
#54
Jun27-08, 09:53 AM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
Chi Meson's Avatar
P: 1,772
Quote Quote by Kurdt View Post
I was under the impression the architect was Italian.
YOW! Totally correct, he is Italian. His company, Dynamic Group, is based in New York, so I made an erroneous assumption. I guess I should have recognized that classic Italian name

So, an Italian architect's American company is going to build revolutionary towers in Dubai, Moscow, and New York.... The whole nationality thing is absurd isn't it?


Register to reply

Related Discussions
Difference between Identical , Equal , Equivalent Calculus & Beyond Homework 9
Can evolution theory work from a plan over generations ? Biology 18
Can anyone solve this... shape of a string puzzle? Classical Physics 5
Shape Shape-shifting strings... solids, liquids, and gasses Beyond the Standard Model 2