Ascertaining Rock Erosion Rates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods used to ascertain rock erosion rates, particularly in relation to the Great Sphinx and other archaeological sites. Participants explore various dating techniques and the complexities involved in determining erosion processes, with a focus on geological and archaeological intersections.

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Main Points Raised

  • Steve LeMaster inquires about the methods used to determine rock erosion rates, noting that Dr. Schoch believes this is not well understood by geologists.
  • Some participants suggest that the variability in erosion processes complicates the ability to provide a simple answer.
  • One method mentioned is subsurface seismic surveying, which was used by Professor Schoch in his work on the Great Sphinx.
  • Another participant proposes using 10Be/26Al exposure dating as a potential method for determining erosion rates, questioning why this has not been done yet.
  • There are references to the complexities surrounding the weathering of the Sphinx, with one participant describing it as a "can of worms" and a delicate mystery.
  • Discussion includes skepticism about the dating of the Great Sphinx and its orientation, suggesting that these factors may warrant further investigation.
  • Participants express interest in other archaeological sites, such as a megalithic site in Cuba, and the potential for future research there.
  • One participant mentions that the erosion of the Sphinx may be linked to unexpected physical behaviors of terrestrial planets, though this connection remains unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the methods and theories related to rock erosion and dating. There is no consensus on the best approach or the validity of certain claims, indicating that multiple competing views remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of current methods and the influence of various factors on erosion rates, but do not resolve these complexities or assumptions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying geology, archaeology, or the history of ancient civilizations, as well as individuals curious about the methodologies used in dating and understanding erosion processes.

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My name is Steve LeMaster, Professor Robert M. Schoch's webmaster and moderator.

I am not quite sure if I am posting my query in the right place, so please forgive me if I am.

Dr. Schoch is a geologist at Boston University and he has told me that geologists do not know at what rate rock erodes. Can anyone give me the various methods used in ascertaining dates of rock erosion? Or is this just pure speculation? He is a very busy man and has yet to answer my question.
 
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Hi Steve and welcome.

I'm afraid I'm not aware that anybody here identified himself as a professional geologist. Some may conceal it :smile: As a consequence this is a very slow moving forum.

As for your question. You must be aware that there are too many variables for a simple answer. I'll look into it later.

In the mean time, it may be interesting to note that sometimes things are the other way around and apparent erosion is actually accumulation like in this thread.
 
Thanks, Andre

Based on those threads, I see it has a lot to do with observation.

The only method that I am aware that Professor Schoch used when he redated the Great Sphinx was subsurface seismic surveying.

What type of weathering/erosion process do you think caused this?:

http://www.robertschoch.topcities.com/images/sphinx/southernenclosurewall.jpg
 
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Very good Steve, excellent.

Yes I have read many threads and theories about the weathering of the Sphinx. It's a can of worms. One of the most delicate mysteries of the hidden past of mankind (or not). Now, just go there, scrape off a little material of those rox and go to a lab for a simple 10Be/26Al exposure dating. I wonder why nobody has done so, sofar.

Love to discus this.
 
Discussing dating methods of rock

>>Love to discus this.

As well as I. Ever since I became Prof. Schoch's webmaster and moderator of his discussion board, I have yet to discuss the methods of dating rock with anyone.

If you should wish to pay a visit, stop by.

The Official Website of Dr. Robert M. Schoch PhD

I have been running his site since August 2003.

>>Now, just go there, scrape off a little material of those rox and go to a lab for a simple 10Be/26Al exposure dating. I wonder why nobody has done so, sofar.

He very well could have, I'm not sure.
 
Nice site, Steve.
Just some observations about let's say the merging specialisms. There is archeology, forbidden archeology and Quartenary geology. Apparantly never the threesome meet. I hobby a bit with the last routine but I sympathize with the others.

From what I have read about the Egypt relicts, I infer that there seem to be very good reasons for the scholar dating of the great Gizeh pyramid to be correct. However the wear of the Sfinx, but especially its orientation could give grounds for doubts about that.

Equally interesting is the (sunken?) megalithic site in Cuba. http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmari.htm

But we have had a discussion about that here
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=6347&page=1&pp=15
 
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Dating the Sphinx

Prof. Schoch conservatively dated the Great Sphinx carving to be somewhere between 7000-5000 BC.

>>However the wear of the Sfinx, but especially its orientation could give grounds for doubts about that.

What exactly do you mean by this? I think I know, but I am not quite sure.

As for the Cuba site, I can't wait until researchers begin to dive on that site. I have not heard much in the way of anything else on it, though.
 
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You may want to check this out. This guy erected a 19,000 lb block by himself.

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About the sphinx. I'm afraid it's not wise to try and explain that guess (no more than that) in a few words. It's a result of unexpected and complicated physical behavior of terrestial planets.

It all starts with Venus here, althought the possible relationship with the Sphinx (if any) will not be clear from the beginning:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=2974
 

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