Conservation of information in quantum mechanicsby Mountain Math Software Tags: conservation, information, mechanics, quantum 
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I just say Leonard Susskind's Book TV appearance and am curious about
the conservation of information in quantum mechanics. Any deterministic time reversible theory must conserve information and I believe the evolution of the wave function satisfies this. However, whenever an observation is made it would seem that new information is created. How is the absolute conservation of information in the physical universe reconciled with this? 


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On Aug 20, 2:55 pm, Mountain Math Software <mtnm...@mtnmath.com>
wrote: > I just say Leonard Susskind's Book TV appearance and am curious about > the conservation of information in quantum mechanics. Any > deterministic time reversible theory must conserve information and I > believe the evolution of the wave function satisfies this. However, > whenever an observation is made it would seem that new information is > created. How is the absolute conservation of information in the > physical universe reconciled with this? I believe that your assumption that the physical universe can operate in a time reversible manner is suspect. al 


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On Aug 21, 12:55=A0am, Mountain Math Software <mtnm...@mtnmath.com>
wrote: > I just say Leonard Susskind's Book TV appearance and am curious about > the conservation of information in quantum mechanics. Any > deterministic time reversible theory must conserve information and I > believe the evolution of the wave function satisfies this. However, > whenever an observation is made it would seem that new information is > created. How is the absolute conservation of information in the > physical universe reconciled with this? Information is related to energy. And in QM, conservation of energy can be violated because of the uncertainty principle. Thats why virtual particles can disobey the principle of conservation of energy and still be describable by a physical theory. And it is actually not quite correct to talk of energy/information of the whole universe, because its infinite. No matter how much you add to it or subtract from it, it always remains infinite. So, the significance of the idea of conservation of energy or information of the whole universe is debatable. Kushal. 


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Conservation of information in quantum mechanics
Mountain Math Software <mtnmath@mtnmath.com> wrote:
> I just say Leonard Susskind's Book TV appearance and am curious about > the conservation of information in quantum mechanics. Any > deterministic time reversible theory must conserve information and I > believe the evolution of the wave function satisfies this. However, > whenever an observation is made it would seem that new information is > created. How is the absolute conservation of information in the > physical universe reconciled with this? The system together with the observer have a wave function too, that's why there is something called 'the measurement problem'. Furthermore you may note that 'the wave function of the universe' is not a wel defined (or even a definable) concept, Jan 


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On Aug 20, 3:55=A0pm, Mountain Math Software <mtnm...@mtnmath.com>
wrote: > I just say Leonard Susskind's Book TV appearance and am curious about > the conservation of information in quantum mechanics. Any > deterministic time reversible theory must conserve information and I > believe the evolution of the wave function satisfies this. However, > whenever an observation is made it would seem that new information is > created. How is the absolute conservation of information in the > physical universe reconciled with this? A careful meaning to information must be actually defined. A momenta change as a cause to observation was always the physical meaning of information. A change in system as a observation then allows all effect as information conservation. Causality of information as subjective human interaction of the mind appears the common confusion. A mind act has zero momenta information to transfer to the system. SO always use system parameter as the definition of information. All parameters will be conserved as long as certain critera are met. Nother's thoery as a symmetry of t, where t is a variable, must cause the property of conservation in all allowable systems. Symmetry as observable parameter then becomes a kind of effect. A mathematical effect of functional symmetry allows only one definition to information. The functional parameter then became an effect of symmetric formal theory. Nother's theory will always be observed true, making it a principle of all information. A violation implies a failed functional usage. Here is a failed example: A momenta as conserved would imply a velocity conserved as long as all matter was a certain size. A function becomes symmetric by use of a common matter size. And the failure was a common size as all things are in reality many sizes. So the symmetric calculation appear definable as a parameter. ANd here is the menaing of parameter, an observable. In quantum theory a parameter was a physical degreeoffreedom. Implying all symmetric as a cause to effect. So, I have proven in Gedanken the act of information conservation, for the act then allows no parameter only size of parameter. A mistaken information definition, not. 


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On Aug 20, 12:55 pm, Mountain Math Software <mtnm...@mtnmath.com>
wrote: > I just say Leonard Susskind's Book TV appearance and am curious about > the conservation of information in quantum mechanics. Any > deterministic time reversible theory must conserve information and I > believe the evolution of the wave function satisfies this. However, > whenever an observation is made it would seem that new information is > created. How is the absolute conservation of information in the > physical universe reconciled with this? Hi. my connection died during my last post; I hope this isn't a duplicate: Information is formally equivalent to entropy, which can not be a conserved quantity; therefore, information can not be a conserved quantity, even if reformulated in quantum operators. 


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Mountain Math Software wrote:
> I just say Leonard Susskind's Book TV appearance and am curious about > the conservation of information in quantum mechanics. Check out the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_h...mation_paradox Susskind was probably talking about "information" in the sense of the above article. Gerard 


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