Finding Solutions for a Challenging Integral

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The discussion revolves around finding solutions for the integral \(\int \frac{1}{1-x^3}dx\). Participants explore various methods of integration, including partial fractions, substitutions, and algebraic manipulations. The conversation includes both theoretical approaches and practical attempts to solve the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests splitting the integral into partial fractions as a potential method for simplification.
  • Another participant proposes a specific partial fraction decomposition, although they express uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Some participants attempt to rewrite the integral in different forms, such as \(\int (1-x)^{-3} dx\), but later acknowledge errors in this approach.
  • A participant provides a detailed breakdown of their integration process, including substitutions and algebraic manipulations, but admits to potential mistakes.
  • There are conflicting views on the validity of various partial fraction decompositions, with some participants asserting their own versions while challenging others.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the integration methods and results, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach.
  • One participant references a specific result from a mathematical table, which introduces a complex expression for the integral.
  • Another participant suggests using trigonometric substitution after completing the square in the denominator, indicating a potential pathway to a solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for solving the integral. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, with various participants challenging each other's proposed solutions and expressing uncertainty about their own methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note errors in their calculations or assumptions, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed methods. The discussion reflects a range of integration techniques, but no single method is universally accepted as correct.

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Hi, I've been trying to solve this integral for a while now, but I am still making no headway, any help would be much appreciated, thanks in advance.
[tex]\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx[/tex]
 
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You tried splitting into partial fractions? I am just trying now :smile:
 
Not 100% sure on this, you'll have to check it but I think:

[tex]\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{3x^2+3x+3} + \frac{1}{3-3x}[/tex]

That looks much easier to integrate if it is true :smile:
 
Couldn't you rewrite it as
[tex]\int {(1-x)^{-3}} dx[/tex]
and find the anti-dervative that way?
 
Chrono said:
Couldn't you rewrite it as
[tex]\int {(1-x)^{-3}} dx[/tex]
and find the anti-dervative that way?
Because it is incorrect.
 
arildno said:
Because it is incorrect.

Oh, yeah. I see now. Only the x is cubed, not 1 - x
 
From the little I understand from integration (and at a guess you probably understand about the same) I don't think you can integrate that any other way than my suggested:

[tex]\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx = \int \frac{x + 2}{3x^2+3x+3} + \frac{1}{3-3x}dx[/tex]

It's fairly easy to manipulate that and make it possible to integrate.
 
Im not sure how you got those equalities, I get…

[tex]\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{-x^4 -2x^2+x+2}[/tex]
 
JonF said:
Im not sure how you got those equalities, I get…

[tex]\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{-x^4 -2x^2+x+2}[/tex]
Corrected:
[tex]\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{-x^4 -2x^{3}+x+2}[/tex]
But this is not a partial fractions decomposition!
 
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now I am not sure how you are getting
[tex]+ \frac{1}{3-3x}dx[/tex]
 
  • #11
im not sure if this is right, but this is what i did...

[tex]\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{1}{(1-x)(1+x+x^2)}[/tex]

[tex]\int((1-x)(1+x+x^2))^{-1}[/tex]

let u = 1 + x + x^2
du = 1+2x dx

[tex]2\int (1+u)^{-1} du[/tex]

[tex]2(u+\frac{u^2}{2})^{-1}[/tex]

[tex]2(1+x+x^2+ \frac{(1+x+x^2)^2}{2})^{-1}[/tex]
 
  • #12
The only method i could think of for doing this question is using partial fractions.

With this you obtain:
A - B = 0
A + B - C = 0
A + C = 1
Therefore,
C = 2/3
A = B = 1/3

and f(x) =
(1/3) * (1/(1-x) + (x+2)/(1+x+x^2))

Which you would then integrate. (upon further review, its the same thing as what zurtex got)

JonF, it can't be done using substitution (or atleast i don't see it). You made an error when you were substituting.
 
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  • #13
TI89ed it... didn't look too pretty!
 
  • #14
Argh, cursed arithmetic
 
  • #15
[tex]\int{(1-x^{3})}^{-1}dx = -\frac{1}{3}ln(1-x)+\frac{1}{3}ln(x^{2}+2x\cos({\frac{\pi}{3}})+1)[/tex]

It is equation 2.144.2 in Gradshteyn and Ryzhik, pg 64
 
  • #16
how evil! what an equation... is it any use to... umm... rememorize the table of integrals?
 
  • #17
JonF said:
im not sure if this is right, but this is what i did...

[tex]\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{1}{(1-x)(1+x+x^2)}[/tex]

[tex]\int((1-x)(1+x+x^2))^{-1}[/tex]

No- you've lost the "-1" power in the first term. That should be

[tex]\int((1-x)^{-1}(1+x+x^2))^{-1}[/tex]
and now the substitution doesn't work.

"how evil! what an equation... is it any use to... umm... rememorize the table of integrals?"

Believe it or not, it's actually easier to THINK!

In this case, you use "partial fractions" as you were told to begin with:
1-x3= (1- x)(1+ x+ x2 so
[tex]\frac{1}{1-x^3}= \frac{A}{1-x}+ \frac{Bx+C}{1+ x+ x^2}[/tex]
for some numbers A, B, C.

Multiply that equation by 1-x3 and you get
1= A(x2+ x+ 1}+ (Bx+ C)(1-x)

Since this is true for all x, in particular if we let
x= 1, 1= 3A so A= 1/3

x= 0 1= A+ C= 1/3+ C so C= 2/3

x= -1 1= A+ (-B+C)(-2)= 1/3+ 2B- 4/3 so 2B= 2 or B= 1

Now we need to integrate
[tex]\frac{1/3}{1-x}+ \frac{(2/3)x+ 1}{x^2+x+1}[/tex]

The first of those is just -(1/3)ln|1-x| (that's in Dr Transport's answer)

To do the second, complete the square: x2+ x+ 1= x2+ x+ 1/4+ 3/4= (x+1/2)2+ 3/4 so we break that into two integrals:
Now make the linear substitution u= x+ 1/2, du= dx, (2/3)x+ 1= (2/3)u- 1/3 and the integral becomes
[tex]\frac{(2/3)u}{u^2+ 3/4}- \frac{1/3}{u^2+3/4}[/tex]

The first of those can be done by the further substitution v= u2+3/4 and the second is an arctangent. That might reduce to what Dr Transport gave but it can be difficult to show that!
 
  • #18
HallsofIvy, you seem to have got your partial fractions wrong. I tried making them into 1 fraction again and it didn't work. I am fairly sure that:

[tex]\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{(1/3)(x + 2)}{x^2+x+1} + \frac{1/3}{1-x}[/tex]

As I stated on the first page.
 
  • #19
The way i was taught to do it was to expand everything out, bring together x^2, x... terms together, factor things out and see what you need. For this example, expanding and combining yields:

1 = A(x^2 + x + 1) + (Bx + C)(1-x)
1 = Ax^2 + Ax + A + Bx - Bx^2 + C - Cx
1 = (A - B)x^2 + (A + B - C)x + (A + C)

Since you have no x^2 or x terms:
(A - B) = 0 A = B
(A + C) = 1 A = 1 - C
(A + B - C) = 0

Substitude that all into the last equation:
2A - C = 0
2(1 - C) - C= 0
2 - 3C = 0
C = 2/3
A = 1/3
B = 1/3

which will give you zurtex's partial fractions.

HallsofIvy said:
x= -1 1= A+ (-B+C)(-2)= 1/3+ 2B- 4/3 so 2B= 2 or B= 1
you accidently got a negative on that two; otherwise you get the same as above.
 
  • #20
after looking at this again, if you complete the square on the denominator you obtain:

(x + 2)/[(x + 1/2)^2 + 3/4]

using a trig substitution you should be able to solve it
 
  • #21
Parth Dave said:
after looking at this again, if you complete the square on the denominator you obtain:

(x + 2)/[(x + 1/2)^2 + 3/4]

using a trig substitution you should be able to solve it
lol, sorry I could easily solve this if you want but I was just trying to help the person who made the thread to be put on the right track.
 

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