Mexican Air Force Pilots Videotape UFOs

Ivan Seeking

http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/ne...42/detail.html

Note: Slides and a Real Player video

suyver

It's even on CNN (so it must be true... ;-)

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/am....ap/index.html

megashawn

Interesting. Could this mean the aliens are importing space drugs???

Ivan Seeking

No, but these are illegal aliens.

mouseonmoon

one detailed report-excellent-from Mexico

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m11-011.shtml

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check out Bruce Maccabee:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m12-004.shtml

quote:In the Mexico case the objects were picked up by an infrared
imaging system that is like a TV system, but which is sensitive
to the spectral range of 3,000 to 5,000 nm (3 - 5 micron range).
This is beyond the spectral range of any infrared film, so if,
within the last 57 years, there had been an infrared radiating
UFO that was just "passing by" as someone took a picture using
an ordinary camera, the UFO would not have been seen nor would
it have been detected on film (not even on infrared film).


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and for detailed 'reports/discussions/latest news(above from here)

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/latest/



'regular news':


Source: ABC NewsOnline:Reuters source

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1106371.htm

05-12-04


Associated Press:

http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/s...BNStory/Front/

“I couldn't say what it was ... but I think they're completely real,” added Lt. Mario Adrian Vazquez, the infrared equipment operator.

Lt. Vazquez insisted there was no way to alter the recorded images.

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Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5109891
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Source: CTV Canada

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...6/?hub=SciTech

05-11-04

Mexican UFO Sighting No Big Deal: Analyst

Ha!

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Santiago Yturria
Mexico

TECHNICAL DATA

DATE: March 5, 2004
TIME: 17:00 PM to 17:30 pm
EVENT: On Comision
LOCATION: Aerial Space Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche Mexico at
10,500 Fts.
COORDINATES: LAT N 18=B0 26.60=B4 : LON W 90=B0 45.69=B4
SENSOR EQUIPMENT: FLIR STAR ZAFIRO II
RADAR AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3
DETECTION RATIO: 50 miles
FLIR RANGE: - 40=B0C till more than 1,500=B0C
CAMERA LENS: GERMANIO
AIRPLANE: Merlin C26A Bimotor

OFFICERS
Navigation Captain: Magdaleno Jasso Nu=F1ez
FLIR Operator: Lt. Mario Adrian Vasquez
RADAR Operator: Lt. German Ramirez
Members of the 501 Aerial Squadron

Ivan Seeking

Another excellent post by the Mouse.

mouseonmoon

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m13-019.shtml

The videos showing strange objects picked up by military
aircraft were turned over to Jaime Maussan because he is a
person "who has been interested all of his life" in the study of
said phenomena, and was not given to scientists from
institutions of higher learning "perhaps because we do not know
them or know who they might be," according to General Gerardo
Clemente Vega Garcia, Secretary of Defense.
Source: Fundacion Cosmos AC and Milenio de Monterrey
Date: May 12, 2004
In an interview with the "Hoy por Hoy" radio show hosted by
Carlos Loret de Mola, Vega Gacia
Subject: Why Mexican Scientists Did Not Get UFO Evidenece
Scott Corrales <lornis1.nul>



http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m13-016.shtml

The Sociedad Astronomica Urania of the state of Morelos said
that the video presented by the Mexican Air Force could have a
scientific explanation if we consider that given the shape and
displacement of the 14 objects filmed, these appear to be a
group of weather balloons, such as the thousands launched daily
from universities, research centers or airports.

The astronomica society claimed that this type of obejct is
frequently confused by commercial or military pilots with UFOs
given the strong air currents that convey them and the lack of
references which would enable to determine their distance and
size.
INEXPLICATA
The Journal of Hispanic Ufology
May 13, 2004 Scott Corrales Translation
Institute of Hispanic Ufology
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already 'written off' as balloons by 'experts'!!
Kinda interesting that it was given to Maussan.....

there's a 2 hour show on this Sunday in Mexico-
interviews etc.....

As Maccabee points out in one of his 'responses',
at 2 miles away they should have been seen by
the naked eye if they were solid objects reflecting
light? ----and then only 3 of the objects were 'seen'
by the radar?

This is extremely 'wierd'--and then the very unusual
'flight' of the ufos? They (2) fly away,come back as a
group and follow the plane,then 'circle' the plane......

'Natural phenomena'? 'Looks' like 'magic'?

Or maybe helicopters at Waterloo?

aychamo

Weird... Be nice to see what develpos :)

chief

mexico has an air force? this has to be fake...

mouseonmoon

very interesting article:
Source: Newsmax.com

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...13/91044.shtml

05-14-04
UFOs Gone Wild
Charles R. Smith


The unidentified aircraft that shadowed the
Mexican surveillance plane are reportedly part of a squadron of
new stealth strike craft operating from the U.S.

The aircraft are equipped with special infrared light panels
that are only visible to special cameras or night vision gear.
The panels are used in formation flying outside of hostile
airspace to prevent the aircraft from colliding with each other
or with support aircraft such as refueling planes. The panels
are especially handy during aerial refueling with U.S.A.F.
tankers, allowing the tanker operators to visually monitor the
stealth planes in total darkness.


Both North and South Korean sources have recently reported
similar UFO- like aircraft in the skies of Asia. The sightings
are almost identical to the reports filed by the Mexican Air
Force.

The North Korean official media outlet recently announced that
U.S. spy aircraft had violated the DPRK airspace over 200 times.


A South Korean intelligence official has told the country's Chosun
Ilbo newspaper that American intelligence has identified ten
ballistic missiles and mobile launching pads at two locations...


and furthermore
Utah Donuts

In addition, the recent UFO sighting in Mexico came within days
of a report of a classified aircraft powered by an impulse type
engine flying over Utah. The aircraft left a distinctive
"donuts-on-a-rope" contrail in a flight over the Utah Wasatch
Mountains.

The March 21st sighting of the pulser jet showed that a
conventional chase plane shadowed the classified aircraft, which
left a smooth, unbroken, contrail. A mechanical engineer from
Salt Lake City photographed the contrasting exhaust plumes.

A pulsejet engine was used during World War II by the German V-1
Buzz bomb.....

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Solved?
We're 'playing games' with Mexican AF?

danielg

lengthy report

http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news....ry=Environment

username

smell something fishy somewhere cant put my finger on it

mouseonmoon

The "explanations" by scientists so far have been truely hilarious.

Meteors! Ball lightning! Plasma energy balls! Come on-for 31 minutes!!!

and Balloons! of course! 200 miles per hour (everything invisible to the naked eye)
Flying away from the plane-then returning with his buddies and surrounding the plane
keeping at 2 miles distance......

This was at 5pm in the afternoon--stealth aircraft are 'invisible' to radar--but should have been visible to the 16 human eyeballs !

Maybe they were 'hyp-mo-tized'!!

btw Maccabee posts at virtuallystrange -great 'list'


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Re: above post:UFOs Gone Wild Mexico secret

Re:Smith Responds On Aircraft Invisibility -thread

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m16-035.shtml

((From "Sight Unseen" by Hopkins/Rainey. Page 61))

NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory has proposed a sensor-and -
display system that would create an illusion of transparency
around almost any object. Whether an aircraft, a tank, or
perhaps a building, the objects would effectively be invisible.
Called "adaptive camouflage", these systems generate displays
that change in response to changing scenes and lighting
conditions.

This technological "magic" actually mimics nature's own
camouflage adaptation in which an animal's exterior color
gradually changes to blend in with the color and texture of its
environment.

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http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m18-004.shtml

For what its worth, I have been aware of this technology for
over 15 years.

I first heard about it from, of all people, John Lear.

Considering the source, and the way it was described to me ("TV
cameras on the top of the plane and TV monitors covering the
bottom"), I regarded it with some suspicion, until the
technology was confirmed to me by a Rockwell engineer who had
worked on Senior Trend.

I have no idea what stage of development the technology was in
when I heard about it, but if we apply a generous development
curve of about 10 years from drawing board to fully operational,
it is conceivable that such planes are being deployed as we
speak in hotspots worldwide.

==JJS==
From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser.nul>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:53:35 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:54:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Smith Responds On Aircraft Invisibility

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is the US in Mexican airspace? why not?

this is more 'likely' than ET-no?
And maybe there's more to this-propaganda war...

Ivan Seeking

Please see
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news....ry=Environment

Personally, I have no opinion on any of this yet.

BoulderHead

I've seen the video, very interesting!

Ivan Seeking

Here is a good link for the videos

http://www.ufocasebook.com/mexicanmilitary.html

mouseonmoon

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m20-001.shtml

Mexico's FLIR Rep On AF UFO Case

the FLIR representative for
Mexico, Mr. Gilberto Rocha, was interviewed by Jaime Maussan
regarding the images recorded by the FLIR STAR SAFIRE II aboard
the Mexican Air Force Merlin airplane during the March 5, 2004
incident over the Campeche area.

NOTE: The comments and opinions expresed by Mr. Gilberto Rocha
are his own, based on his experience and knowledge of the FLIR
STAR SAFIRE II operational functions and do not necesarely
represent FLIR Systems, Inc.'s opinion and points of view.

Question: Mr. Rocha, you just have reviewed some images recorded
by the Air Force during an anti-narcotics operation over
Campeche on March 5, 2004. What is your opinion about them?

Answer: These are interesting images because they are not
common. I will try to explain myself.....

......represent round-shaped objects that
cannot be compared to any known object ......

Question: Could these have been any kind of conventional
aircraft?

Answer. No, because conventional aircraft have very well defined
temperature in their turbines and in front where friction is
registered, therefore they could not be seen as rounded lights.
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Question: If these objects are not any known aircraft what do
you think they are?

Answer: In the strict sense of the word, avoiding any distortion
or confusion, these are objects that fly and we can not identify.


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gosh....kinda wierd....ya mean they aint't meteors,ball lighting, balloons, pelicans, helicopeters, Venus,stealth fighters from USA etc!

yeah, we don't know what they are,didn't really 'threaten' anybody so what the heck....who cares?