Is Life on Mars Still a Possibility? Revisiting the Viking Probe Experiments

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of life on Mars, revisiting the findings of the Viking probe experiments conducted in 1976. Participants explore the implications of past data, the interpretations of those findings, and the potential for future discoveries related to extraterrestrial life.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Viking probe detected strange soil activity that resembled microbial life, though subsequent tests for organic matter returned negative results.
  • Dr. Gil Levin, a former NASA scientist, argues that the tools used in the initial tests were imprecise compared to those detecting the soil activity, suggesting that life may have been detected.
  • Others assert that while past tests did not confirm life, they also do not eliminate the possibility of life on Mars.
  • One participant questions whether the initial findings were due to cleaning solvents used on the detectors, expressing skepticism about the validity of the results.
  • Another participant mentions the chemical nature of Martian soil, which may have oxidized organic compounds, as a possible explanation for the detected activity.
  • There is speculation about the implications of discovering life on Mars, including the potential for life to have originated from Earth or vice versa, possibly through asteroid transfer.
  • Participants discuss the significance of water erosion evidence on Mars, suggesting that the presence of water could indicate the potential for life.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of robotic missions in detecting life, with a preference expressed for human-led exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the significance of the Viking findings while others remain skeptical about their implications. There is no consensus on whether life has been detected or the interpretations of the data.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the limitations of the Viking probe's findings, including the imprecision of the tools used and the potential influence of environmental factors on the results. The discussion also highlights the unresolved nature of the evidence regarding life on Mars.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in astrobiology, planetary science, and the history of space exploration may find this discussion relevant.

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In 1976, a Viking probe landed on Mars. Strange activity in Martian soil that was similar to microbes giving off gas was detected. A subsequent test for organic matter turned out negative and it was concluded that Mars was dead. However, former mission scientist for NASA Dr. Gil Levin says that experiments that were touted as disproof of life were using imprecise tools--much less precise than those used to detect the strange soil activity. It seems that he believes that the first test did detect life.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2941826.stm
 
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The data from those past tests could not confirm the existence of life on Mars. But they don't shut the door on the possibility either.
 
Yes. You are correct. The strange activity does give does provide some small evidence towards the hypothethis, though.
 
I thought what they 'discovered' with the first Viking was the cleaning solvent used on the detector before it was launched?
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
I thought what they 'discovered' with the first Viking was the cleaning solvent used on the detector before it was launched?

Or maybe it was swamp gas... :wink:
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
I thought what they 'discovered' with the first Viking was the cleaning solvent used on the detector before it was launched?

I don't know. I haven't heard anything like that, but I wasn't around back then. Apparently, the did find some kind of activity (According to the article).
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
I thought what they 'discovered' with the first Viking was the cleaning solvent used on the detector before it was launched?

Interesting, I had not heard that (and I'd be surprised if it was true giving the volatility of solvents and the low pressure environments of Mars and interplanetary space). I only heard that the detected "activity" was believed to be due to the chemical nature of the soil which, for some reason, oxidized organic compounds. But that was a while ago. Hey, maybe the new Euro-rovers being launched this week will find something new.
 
god... if it turns out that there is life there it'll pretty much change how we thought about extra terrestrial life forever. what are the chances of life forming on two planets in the same solar sytem! it will seem almost impossible to rule out intelligent life elsewhere.
 
maximus: You missed the word "independently". If any life is found, there is a good chance to be linked to life on earth. Perhaps asteroids carrying microbes from Earth "seeded" mars. Maybe even vice versa.
 
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maximus: You missed the word "independently". If any life is found, there is a good chance to be linked to life on earth. Perhaps asteroids carrying microbes from Earth "seeded" mars. Maybe even vice versa.

Agreed.

Also, massive evidence of water erosion and oceanic collections of water are observed on Mars everyday. There's no way to cover that up. and, like where there's smoke there's fire... where there's water there is usually life... in some format or other.

FZ+ has a major point about interexchanges between Mars and EArth. What could also be tested is which planet got life first, at some point in time.

Its a 6 year ride to and from Mars... so far... for humans. But I think the tests would better be done by humans... since robots have the intelligence of a half cerebral gangliaed, demented, partially blind cockroach, even with mission control backing them up.
 

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