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| Nov26-08, 12:01 PM | #52 |
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Help with Laplace Transformations and 2nd order ODEs
so split it up:
[tex] \frac{1}{(s + 2)^3} + \frac{4}{(s + 2)^2} [/tex] [tex] \frac{4}{(s + 2)^2} = 4te^{-2t} [/tex] okay so for: [tex] \frac{1}{(s + 2)^3} [/tex] we need to use: [tex] t^n = \frac{n!}{s^{n + 1}} [/tex] so, would this mean: [tex] \frac{3!}{s^3} = t^2 [/tex] we have [tex] \frac{1}{s^3} [/tex] Is this relevant, or am I going the wrong way for this one/ TFM |
| Nov26-08, 12:43 PM | #53 |
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for 1/(s+2)^3:
laplace of t^2 is 2!/(s^3) so it is 2/s^3 i dont know why you put 1/s^3. but you have the right idea. so if the laplace of t^2 is 2!/(s^3), what is the inverse of 1/(s+2)^3 ? |
| Nov26-08, 12:52 PM | #54 |
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So:
[tex] t^2 = \frac{2!}{s^3} [/tex] we have [tex] \frac{1}{(s + 2)^2} [/tex] so using the Shift, would that be something like: [tex] \frac{1}{(s + 2)^2} = (t - 2)^2 [/tex] bvut I think even it is slightly wrong at least because it doesn't deal with the fact that the top value isn't 2! TFM |
| Nov26-08, 01:00 PM | #55 |
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For 1/(s+1)^3, let's just look at 1/s^3 ; we know that t^2 is 2/s^3 so 1/s^3 will be the inverse of (1/2)(t^2) right?
but, we dont want 1/s^3, we want 1/(s+1)^3, so what do we do (like we did before)? |
| Nov26-08, 01:13 PM | #56 |
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First Shft Theorem
[tex] \frac{1}{2}t^2 = \frac{1}{s^3} [/tex] using FST [tex] \frac{1}{2}t^2 = \frac{1}{b^3} [/tex], where b = s + 1 would this make it: \frac{1}{2}(t+1)^2 = \frac{1}{b^3} [/tex] ??? TFM |
| Nov26-08, 03:54 PM | #57 |
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I dont see any e's in your answer (there should be).
now as we did before, the second fraction is the laplace transform of: 4te^(-2t) because if you find the laplace of 4t, this will give you 4/s^2 but we dont want s at the bottom, we want (s+2) so thats why we use the first shift theorem and times the 4t by e^(-2t). now, can you do the same for the 1/(s+1)^3 |
| Nov27-08, 08:37 AM | #58 |
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Okay so:
[tex] t^2 would give: \frac{2}{s^3} [/tex] thus would: [tex] \frac{2}{(s + 1)^3} be \frac{1}{2}t^2 e^{-t} [/tex] ??? TFM |
| Nov27-08, 02:42 PM | #59 |
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very good!!
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| Nov27-08, 02:51 PM | #60 |
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Great
![]() So now: [tex] Y = \frac{1}{(s + 2)^3} + \frac{4}{(s + 2)^2} [/tex] this goes to: [tex] Y = \frac{1}{2}t^2 e^{-t} + 4te^{-2t} [/tex] So now we put this value of Y back into: [tex] s^2(Y) - 4 + 4(sY) + 4Y = \frac{1}{s + 2} [/tex] ??? TFM |
| Nov27-08, 03:02 PM | #61 |
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y(t)=(1/2)t^2(e^-t) + 4t(e^-2t)
This is the answer. dont substitute anything into anything. |
| Nov27-08, 03:06 PM | #62 |
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Excellent.
So [tex] y(t) = \frac{1}{2}t^2 e^{-t} + 4te^{-2t} [/tex] Tomorrow, I'll start (c), if thats okay? TFM |
| Nov28-08, 03:45 PM | #63 |
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yep thats fine
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| Nov29-08, 12:12 PM | #64 |
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Okay, so:
(c): [tex] y'' + y = sin(t), y_0 = 1, y_0' = 0 [/tex] L(y(t)) = Y L(y'(t)) = sL(y(t)) - y(0) L(y''(t)) = sL(y'(t))-y'(0) = s^2(L(y(t))-sy(0)-y'(0) there is no y', [tex] L(y(t)) = Y [/tex] [tex] L(y'(t)) = sL(y(t)) - 1 [/tex] [tex] L(y''(t)) = sL(y'(t))-0 = s^2(L(y(t))-sy(0)-y'(0) [/tex] and for the sin(t) [tex] sin(\alpha t) = \frac{\alpha}{p^2 + \alpha^2} [/tex] since alpha = 1: [tex] sin(t) = \frac{1}{p^2 + 1} [/tex] Is this okay, I am not quite sure because the lack of y' TFM |
| Nov29-08, 12:19 PM | #65 |
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That is absolutely right.
what next? |
| Nov29-08, 12:30 PM | #66 |
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Okay so:
[tex] L(y(t)) = Y [/tex] [tex] L(y'(t)) = sL(y(t)) - 1 [/tex] [tex] L(y''(t)) = s^2(L(y(t))-sy(0) [/tex] So now I substitute these into the original equation: [tex] y'' + y = sin(t) [/tex] [tex] s^2(L(y(t))-sy(0) + Y = \frac{1}{p^2 + 1} [/tex] Is this okay? Do I substitute y(0) into sy(0), or is there another value/leave it alone? TFM |
| Nov29-08, 12:49 PM | #67 |
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That's fine
substitute y(0) and also substitue the value L(y(t)) |
| Nov29-08, 12:59 PM | #68 |
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Okay, so
[tex] s^2(L(y(t))-sy(0) + Y = \frac{1}{p^2 + 1} [/tex] [tex] s^2(Y)-1 + Y = \frac{1}{p^2 + 1} [/tex] [tex] Ys^2 + Y - 1 = \frac{1}{p^2 + 1} [/tex] Now I need to make the Y the subject: [tex] Ys^2 + Y = \frac{1}{p^2 + 1} + 1 [/tex] factorise out [tex] Y(s^2 + 1) = \frac{1}{p^2 + 1} + 1 [/tex] divide through: [tex] Y = \frac{\frac{1}{p^2 + 1} + 1}{s^2 + 1} [/tex] Now I need to find the inverse. Firstly, split it up into two fractions: [tex] Y = \frac{\frac{1}{p^2 + 1}}{s^2 + 1} + \frac{1}{s^2 + 1} [/tex] Does this look okay? TFM |
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