Understand Stefan-Boltzmann Law: Where Does the T^4 Come From?

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The discussion revolves around the Stefan-Boltzmann law, specifically focusing on the origin of the T^4 term. Participants explore theoretical, historical, and mathematical aspects of the law, including its derivation from Planck's blackbody radiation law and its implications in thermodynamics.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the origin of the T^4 term in the Stefan-Boltzmann law and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant suggests that the law is experimental and that the T^4 relationship arises from the mathematics of intensity curves.
  • A participant mentions that the law can be derived from Planck's blackbody law, noting the historical significance of blackbody radiation in the development of quantum mechanics.
  • One participant outlines a derivation involving thermodynamic principles and electromagnetic waves, detailing how the relationship between radiation pressure and energy density leads to the T^4 dependence.
  • Another participant points out a specific step in the derivation that involves coefficients leading to the power of 4, questioning the role of three-dimensionality in the derivation.
  • A participant confirms that three-dimensionality is relevant, discussing how radiation pressure is directed along one dimension while energy density is present in all three dimensions.
  • There is speculation about how the equations might change in N-dimensional space, with a suggestion that energy density could relate to temperature raised to the power of N+1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the origin of the T^4 term, with multiple competing views and interpretations of the derivation and implications of the Stefan-Boltzmann law remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in understanding the derivation steps and the implications of dimensionality on the equations, indicating that further clarification may be needed.

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I've been reading about the Stefan-Boltzmann law, but there is one thing that I don't understand. Why is it T^4? I can't think of anywhere that the 4 is coming from and can't find anything about this with Google searches.
 
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I know it can be derived from Planck's blackbody law, but historically that is doing things in reverse. I remember some author expressed surprise that quantum mechanics got its start from the study of blackbody radiation rather than some other phenomenon that would have allowed easier analysis, such as the photoelectric effect or specific heat or atomic spectra.
 
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Joseph Stefan induced this relation from some experimental data (1884). His student, Ludwig Boltzmann, derived the 4th power of absolute temperature T relationship from radiation thermodynamics and electromagnetic waves. That is why his name is attached to Stefan's discovery.

I can't follow all of this, but here is a bare outline of how it goes.

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TdS = dU + pdV

{combined 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics in differentials, T = absolute thermodynamic temperature of radiation, S = entropy for a reversible process, U = internal energy of radiation, p = radiation pressure against container walls, V = volume of radiation container, thermal equilibrium between radiation and container walls, treat radiation as if it is a gas}

T(S,V) = (U,V) + p

{(S,V) means partial derivative of S wrt V, (U,V) means partial derivative of U wrt V, and so on, of course (V,V)=1}

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H = U + pV

{H is enthalpy function}

dH = dU + (dp)V + pdV = (dU + pdV) + (dp)V = TdS + V(dp)

{substitute from combined thermodynamics laws}

But,

dH = (H,S)dS + (H,p)dp

{partial derivatives of H}

(H,S) = T and (H,p) = V

{substitutions from prior result for dH, dH is an exact differential}

((H,S),p) = ((H,p),S)

{partial second derivative}

(T,p) = (V,S)

{substitutions from preceding equations}

(S,V) = (p,T)

(inverse partial derivatives}

T(p,T) = (U,V) + p

{substitution into the 2nd equation from the top}

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p = ë/3

{ë = energy density of radiation, *some detailed electromagnetic derivation of waves reflecting off container walls producing pressure, the pressure is isotropic}

U = ëV

(internal energy of radiation is energy density times interior volume of container}

(p,T) = (ë,T)/3
(U,V) = ë

{partial derivatives for preceding two equations}

T(ë,T)/3 = ë + ë/3 = 4ë/3

{substitutions into preceding differential equation result}

(ë,T)/ë = 4/T

{separate the variables for purpose of integration}

(ln ë,T) = 4/T = 4(ln T,T)

ln ë = 4(ln T) + constant = ln(T4) + constant

ë = (econstant)T4

{e is base of natural logarithm function}

{DONE}

So, radiation density is proportional to fourth power of absolute thermodynamic temperature of radiation under these conditions.

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I got this from looking at Longair,Theoretical Concepts in Physics,Cambridge(1984),section 8.2.3 and earlier sections as cited
 
Thank you, Quartodeciman.

One of your equations has coefficients of:

1/3 on the left side

1 + 1/3 = 4/3 on the right side.

Multiplying through by 3 gave the coefficient of 4 which wound up being the power of 4 in the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

One step involved "interior volume of container." Can you tell if the three-dimensionality of space carries through the derivation (without cancelling out at some point) so as to effect the power to which absolute temperature is raised?
 
Three dimensionality figures into the equation

p = ë/3

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Radiation energy density is assumed to be uniformly homogeneous throughout the interior of the enclosure (I forgot to state that!) and the resultant radiation pressure at the wall is directed along just one of the three dimensions. But I find this part of the demonstration a bit too tough to follow in detail. The pressure equation is at least plausible. The energy density is manifest always in all three dimensions, while the pressure at any wall is registered only along the normal direction, one dimension. (I'm kinda repeating myself!) Since pressure and energy density are treated as dimensionally the same (force/area and force*length/volume=force/area), the equation has a rough plausibility about it, IMO.

I don't know what happens to the energy density and pressure in case space dimensionality were N. Is it p = ë/N ? What would happen to volume V as a thermodynamic variable in this case?
 
Is it p = ë/N - Quartodeciman

I believe you are right. I wonder if you would get, for an N-dimensional space, 1/N on the left side, and 1 + 1/N on the right side. Multiplying through by N, you would derive that energy density goes as T to the power of N+1.
 

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