Organizing Physics Formulas for Assignment: Maximizing Marks

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The discussion revolves around organizing physics formulas for a physics assignment, focusing on maximizing marks. Participants explore various formulas related to mechanics, particularly in the context of drag racing and acceleration, while seeking clarity on the assignment requirements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares basic formulas such as f=m*a and a=(v-u)/t, expressing a need for additional formulas and clarity on assignment requirements.
  • Another participant suggests that a good grasp of mechanics is necessary and provides several relevant formulas, including kinematic equations and the equation for net force.
  • A participant introduces a specific formula for drag racing, discussing how to calculate time based on acceleration and distance, while noting that real dragsters do not accelerate at a constant rate.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumption of constant acceleration throughout the race, with a participant questioning the validity of this assumption and suggesting that cars may reach a maximum speed and stop accelerating.
  • Another participant discusses the dynamics of drag racing, mentioning traction-limited and power-limited scenarios, and introduces the concept of aerodynamic drag and its significance in the calculations.
  • There is a reiteration of the concern regarding the assumption of constant acceleration, with a participant suggesting that gear changes may occur when a car reaches maximum speed.
  • A participant agrees with the previous point, emphasizing the mechanics involved in changing gears to optimize performance in drag racing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions related to constant acceleration in drag racing scenarios. While some provide formulas based on this assumption, others challenge its validity, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the dynamics of acceleration and maximum speed in drag racing.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about acceleration and the specific context of the assignment, which remains unclear. The discussion also highlights the complexity of real-world scenarios in drag racing that may not align with simplified formulas.

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i have a few formula for my physics assignment but i want to know the best way to set it out and what other formula i can use.

i already have the formula f=m*a and a=(v-u)/t.
i just really need the marks
 
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Perhaps if you described what the assignment requires we would be of more help? You probably need a good grasp of mechanics, and that includes the formulas you list as well as some more. Here are just a few:

[tex]x(t) = x_0 + v_0t + \frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex]
[tex]v(t) = v_0 + at[/tex]
[tex]v = \frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]a = \frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\Sigma F = ma[/tex]

This might also be helpful:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mot.html#motcon
 
s = ut + 1/2 a t^2

For drag racing, u is zero. s is 1/4 mile (usually) (402.336 metres) so you get

402.336 = a/2 * t^2

t = sqrt(804.672 / a)

So you see that 1g (g = 9.81) acceleration will give you a 9 second run
or 5g would give a 4 second run

Real dragsters don't accelerate at a constant rate, but these formulae are ok as approximations.
 
You assume that the car accelerates not only constantly, but also throughout the race. Who's to say the car doesn't top at some value of V and proceeds with no acceleration at all?
 
Usually, car is first traction-limited, in which case, applied force F is constant:
[tex]mdv/dt=F-Cv^2[/tex]
At some point, it becomes power -limited with P constant:
[tex]mdv/dt=P/v-Cv^2[/tex]
C is aerodynamic drag coefficient. Aero drag is much more important than rolling resistance, so I ignore a [itex]C_2v[/itex] term.
BTW, you will notice that C can be derived from top speed [itex]v_\infty[/itex] (where dv/dt=0):
[tex]C=P/v_\infty^3[/tex]
 
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thank you this helps
 
Chen said:
You assume that the car accelerates not only constantly, but also throughout the race. Who's to say the car doesn't top at some value of V and proceeds with no acceleration at all?

when that happens you
A shift a gear
or if in top gear

B change final drive gears

but very few cars will do that in top gear
ie reach top speed in less than a 1/4 mile
 
ray b has it. If the car reaches maximum speed before it hits the traps, the mechanics will work the car over by changing the gears in the rear-end.
 

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