Finding Potential Energy of a Particle Constrained to a Surface

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Lagrangian and equations of motion for a particle constrained to a surface defined by the equation z(x,y) = x²/a² + y²/b², while moving under the influence of gravity. The original poster expresses uncertainty about formulating the potential energy of the particle in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to express the potential energy of the particle given its constraints and the gravitational force acting on it. Some participants question the definition of gravitational potential and its relation to potential energy.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the concept of gravitational potential and its formulation. Guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between gravitational force and potential energy, which may help the original poster move forward with their problem.

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The original poster indicates a desire to work through the problem independently after receiving assistance with the potential energy formulation. There is an acknowledgment of potential overcomplication in their thought process.

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there's a question in which I need to derive a langrangian, and then the equations of motion for a particle constrained onto a surface. I think I'll be able to do it, except for the fact that I have no idea how to formulate the POTENTIAL ENERGY of the particle. I'd like to have a go at the rest myself, but can someone help me with how to just find the potential energy?
The particle is constrained to a surface:
z(x,y)= x^2/a^2 + y^2/b^2,
and its moving in presence of a gravitational force in -ve z direction.

Obviously the gravitational force is F=-mg, and potential will be some function of x and y??

I'd really appreciate some help!
 
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Start with the gravitational potential; what is that?
 


Thanks for replying. Gravitational potential is the potential energy per unit mass? Sorry, I still don't know where to go from there
 


The gravitational potential is defined by [tex]\vec{F}_g=-\vec{\nabla}U_g[/tex], so for [tex]\vec{F}_g=-mg\hat{z}[/tex], one usually writes [tex]U_g=mgz[/tex]

...Surely you've seen this before?
 


Yes, I have. Sorry, I knew it would be something obvious like that; sometimes I just overcomplicate things in my head and I miss what I should really get straight away. Thankyou for your help, I should be able to do it now.
 

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