If a + b + c = abc, prove that at least one of (a,b,c) is < or = sqrt(3)

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The discussion revolves around proving that for three non-zero real numbers \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) satisfying the equation \(a + b + c = abc\), at least one of the numbers must be less than or equal to \(\sqrt{3}\). Participants explore various approaches, including trigonometric methods, substitutions, and inequalities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a trigonometric approach by letting \(a = \tan(A)\), \(b = \tan(B)\), and \(c = \tan(C)\), leading to a relationship involving angles of a triangle.
  • Another participant notes that \(a = b = c = \sqrt{3}\) is a solution and proposes a substitution method to derive further constraints on the variables.
  • A different approach is mentioned using the arithmetic mean/geometric mean inequality to establish a proof without trigonometry or substitutions.
  • One participant expresses understanding of the implications of the substitution method and discusses the resulting constraints on the transformed variables.
  • A later post indicates a contradiction arising from the positive values of the substituted variables, suggesting that at least one must not be positive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method of proof, as multiple approaches are discussed, and some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their methods.

Contextual Notes

Some methods rely on specific assumptions about the variables, and the discussion includes various mathematical transformations that may not be fully resolved.

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Hi

Here's a question...

Let a, b, c be three non-zero real numbers such that

a + b + c = abc

Prove that at least one of these three numbers (a, b or c) is less than or equal to the square root of 3.


Can you prove this without trigonometry? The trigonometric solution follows...

Solution (using Trigonometry)

Let a = tan(A), b = tan(B), c = tan(C) (for some nonzero angles A, B, C which are real) so that the given constraint becomes

tan(A) + tan(B) + tan(C) = tan(A)tan(B)tan(C)

which can be true iff A + B + C = n*pie (n is an integer)

If n = 1, then A, B, C are the angles of a triangle (as the constraint is true for angles of a triangle). The result follows by considering cases: of an equilateral triangle where A = B = C = pie/3 radians so that each of a, b and c is equal to sqrt(3); next consider the case of a scalene triangle where A, B and C are all distinct. If A > pie/3, then B+C = pie-A = pie-(qty less than pie/3) and so either B or C is less than pie/3.

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Vivek
 
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i) [tex]a=b=c=\sqrt{3}[/tex] is a solution of the equation
ii) Setting [tex]a=\sqrt{3}+\hat{a}[/tex] and similarly for b and c

The proof follows readily from this
(i.e., at least one of the hatted numbers must be non-positive.)
 
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Hi

Thanks. Your method is interesting...we get a new constraint on the hatted numbers now...am I right? (I haven't completed the solution using your substitutions..)

Cheers
Vivek
 
proof without using trig or substitution: use the arithmetic mean/geometric mean inequality
 
maverick280857 said:
Hi

Thanks. Your method is interesting...we get a new constraint on the hatted numbers now...am I right? (I haven't completed the solution using your substitutions..)

Cheers
Vivek

Yes, you end up with an equation which can be written like

[tex]f(\hat{a},\hat{b},\hat{c}) = -g(\hat{a},\hat{b},\hat{c})[/tex]

And you'll find that for positive values of [tex]\hat{a},\hat{b},\hat{c}[/tex], the functions f and g must give positive numbers. So you have LHS = positive number and RHS = negative number...a contradiction ! So, one of [tex]\hat{a},\hat{b},\hat{c}[/tex] must not be positive.
 
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Thanks Gokul43201

I get it now :-D

Cheers
Vivek
 
I don't =[
 

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