What is the formula for the perimeter of an ellipse?

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The discussion centers around finding an algebraic formula for the perimeter of an ellipse based on its geometric properties, specifically the semi-major and semi-minor axes, and the eccentricity. Participants explore various methods, including integral calculus and approximations, while considering the accuracy of these approaches, particularly for ellipses with high eccentricities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an analytically correct formula for the perimeter of an ellipse that does not involve elliptic integrals, questioning its accuracy for high eccentricities.
  • Another participant suggests using a function, f(x), to describe the top half of the ellipse and proposes that the perimeter can be calculated using the arc length formula.
  • A further explanation is provided regarding the arc length formula, relating it to the infinitesimal segments of the ellipse.
  • A participant cites a handbook that provides an approximate formula for the perimeter of an ellipse, noting uncertainty about its accuracy.
  • There is a request for clarification on the function related to the semi-major and semi-minor axes or the focus to center distance.
  • One participant points out that the arc length formula leads back to elliptic integrals, which contradicts the initial request for an alternative. They mention that there is no exact solution for the perimeter and suggest numerical integration or approximations instead.
  • Another participant references a webpage that lists better approximations for the perimeter of an ellipse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of an exact formula for the perimeter of an ellipse, with some advocating for numerical methods and approximations while others seek algebraic solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach and the accuracy of the proposed formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of the proposed methods, including the dependence on definitions and the lack of exact solutions for the perimeter of an ellipse. The accuracy of approximations for high eccentricities is also a point of contention.

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Could anyone direct me to an analytically correct algebraic formula for the Perimeter of an Ellipse based on either the eccentricity or the Semi-Major and Semiminor Axes other than the Elliptic Integral ? If so, how accurate will it be for relatively high eccentricities such as 0.9-1.0 ? Thanks.
 
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Given those properties of a given ellipse, you should be able to define a function, f(x) which describes the top half of the ellipse. The perimeter of the ellipse would be twice the length of f(x) on the interval on which it exists. The length of f(x) on that interval, let's call it [-a,a], is:

[tex]L = \int _{-a} ^a \sqrt{1 + [f'(x)]^2}dx[/tex]
 
To see why this works, think of f'(x) as dy/dx. Now, put the "dx" under the square root, and you'll get:

[tex]L = \int _{-a} ^a \sqrt{{dx}^2 + {dy}^2}[/tex]

Now, if you consider an infinitessimal piece of the function, you can treat it as a straight line segment. If you think of this segment as the hypoteneuse of a triangle with sides dx and dy, then clearly, the length of this hypoteneuse is the integrand. Sum the lengths of these tiny segments over the desired interval, and you get the length of the function on that interval.
 
I have a handbook that lists the perimeter of an ellipse as approximately:

[tex]2\pi\sqrt{\frac{1}{2}(a^2+b^2)}[/tex]

a and b are the semi-major and semi-minor axes, respectively. No idea on the accuracy.
 
OK I am with you on the Arclength Formula, do you know the function if given a (S-maj), b (S-minor), or c (Focus to center) ? Thanks a lot.
 
Won't the arclength formula lead to the elliptic integral? You already said you don't want that.

Edit: There is no exact solution for the perimeter of an ellipse. You either have to numerically integrate this:

[tex]4a\int_0^{\pi/2}\sqrt{1-e^2\sin^2 t}\,dt}[/tex]

(where e is the eccentricity)

Or use an approximation like the one I gave in my earlier post.

Edit Edit: This page seems to have some better approximations listed at the bottom:

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/formulas/faq.ellipse.circumference.html
 
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