Telepathy-a science or just falacy

zoobyshoe

I don't find them to be profound, either.

Evo

Of course there are many more "misses" than "hits" and for obvious reasons we remember the "hits".

But to be objective, we would need to look specifically at this person that had this "hit" and see how many times he had other experiences that were as alarming to him that were "misses". Since the incidences recorded were recorded without bias to the outcome, why was there never a similar experience recorded that turned out to be wrong? It would seem, perhaps, that the person was not prone to fanciful outbursts.

Of course this doesn't mean they were capable of knowing something they could not have normally known, but I think it is unwise to close your mind to what we don't know for sure.

I prefer to keep an open mind, however skeptical.

zoobyshoe

I found the story of the village simpleton online. This is pretty much verbatim the version I first read in a book called "Mysteries of the Unexplained":

"Robert Nixon was a rural visionary held to be mentally retarded by everyone. He was born in 1467 on a farm in the county of Cheshire, England and was a plowboy by profession, a profession he didn't choose for himself. He was too dim-witted by appearance and thinking too, so thought the people. He never spoke much, but was out with strange gibberish talk at times, which was entirely incomprehensible. This was the supposed evidence to his insanity.
He was merrily plowing a field one day, when all of a sudden, he turned around with an alienated look and screamed "Now Dick! Now Harry! Oh, ill done, Dick! Oh, well done, Harry! Harry has gained the day!" The cry was convincing enough yet not decipherable. Robert's co-workers were puzzled. They were enlightened the very next day. When Robert was at his estranged best, King Richard III had been killed at Bosworth Field, and the victor of that decisive battle, Henry Tudor, was proclaimed Henry VII of England.
The news of the pastoral prophet soon reached the king, who was fascinated and wanted to meet him. He sent an emissary from London to get Robert to the palace. Robert knew the envoy was coming for him. Utterly distressed, he went running about town saying that the king had sent for him and he would be starved to death.
Henry, the King, pretended to be in dire trouble to test his prophecy. He had lost a valuable diamond and wanted to know where it was. Robert replied calmly, "those who hide can find." The king had indeed hidden the diamond. Impressed by this, Henry ordered a record to be made of everything the lad said. Meanwhile, the lad forecasted English civil wars, deaths and abdication of kings, and war with France. One pf his forecasts was that the town of Nantwich, in Chenshire, would be swept away by a flood, which has not happened to date.
The prophecy that he made before he entered the royal palace yet kept bugging him that of his starvation to death. To put his fears to rest, Henry ordered that Nixon be given all the food he wanted and whenever he wanted it.
The king however left London one day, with Robert in the care of one of his officers. To protect the word of his master, the officer locked him safely in the king's own closet. He was too called away from London on urgent business and forgot to leave the key or instructions for Robert's release. He returned days later to find that Robert had starved to death."

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In my googling, I discovered there is a book about Nixon. Here is a brief review I found of that book:

ROBERT NIXON - The Cheshire Prophet: An 18th Century Propaganda
Edited by Jon Easton, published by Fenris Press, Chester 1999. A5. 40pp. £3.95. ISBN: 1-902601-01-7
British history and folk culture has been well blessed with legendary prophets and seers from Mother Shipton to Thomas the Rhymer and back again. It is therefore rather intriguing that some people thought a few fictitious ones should be added to the tally.
Robert Nixon was one of the latter variety. His cryptic utterances were supposedly discovered during the 18th century in a late medieval manuscript and were circulated fairly widely for much of the Georgian period. Unfortunately they turned out to be completely fictitious, as did Nixon himself - created for political purposes so that his supposed prophesies could be said to have predicted events and developments since his own day and culminating during the 18th century. Ossian rides again.
What then is the point in publishing again a load of fake prophesies? My interpretation of them and their value is that they provide a useful warning against the gullibility of many in the pagan and esoteric communities today. This was a scam on a huge scale in which many who should have asked searching questions and kept their wits about them were hung out to dry and made fools of because they accepted all too readily what they wanted to believe. As such it contains salutary lessons for today's new agers and fluffy bunnies. An amusing read and one which proves that there's one born every minute."
White Dragon Book Reviews - A
Address:http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/reviews/nixon.htm Changed:3:18 PM on Sunday, February 22, 2004

JohnDubYa

The death of Nixon did seem a little far-fetched. :)

zoobyshoe

Regarding the circumstances of his death, the version in the book Mysteries Of The Unexplained is more detailed:

"To allay these fears [of starvation], Henry ordered that Nixon should be given all the food he wanted, whenever he wanted it, an order that did not endear the strange young man to the royal kitchen (whose staff, in any case, envied his privileges).

One day , however, the king left London, leaving Robert in the care of one of his officers. To protect his charge from the malice of the palace domestics, the officer thoughtfully locked him safely in the king's own closet. The officer was then also called away from London on urgent business, and forgot to leave the key or instructions for Robert's release. By the time he returned, Robert had starved to death."

When I first told the story, I had completely misremembered why they locked him up. The online version is a bit vague, and this expanded version makes the most sense.

Michaelpol

Telepathy is real accual humans can do it.Bees and bugs use this to communicate.Some humans who cannot speak use telepathy to communicate.

Ivan Seeking

We appreciate that this is your opinion, but now that you have made your position clear you need to start posting information to support your claims. Why do you believe this? Where do you get your ideas? Where is the evidence? Simply making assertions contributes nothing of value.

Michaelpol

..... I got evidence i got your evidence 1. I have done it. 2. My great grandfather cant speak and he talks using telepathy. 3. I have practiced this for 4 years. 4. Bugs use it to communicate. THERES YOUR PROOF.

Ivan Seeking

Why should we believe you? You claim to have these powers at your disposal yet you can present no evidence.

Janitor

Can you imagine the advantage that would accrue to an investor or an athlete if they could read minds? The telepathic defensive back knows the next play is going to be a toss sweep right, and can cheat into position to stuff the play. The telepathic Disney investor knows what Michael Eisner is thinking about doing next. The possibilities are endless.

Njorl

Nobody starves to death in days. If he were locked in a closet, he'd have died of thirst.

Njorl

Ivan Seeking

Why not start here? Where did you get this idea? Can you provide any links?

Michaelpol

... You people must be blind. Meet me in person and i will show you real telepathy. One method is You must be able to control what you think of to do it.

Evo

Wow, I was thinking the same thing about that post just this morning. Gee, Njorl, we must be telepathically linked!

I truly was thinking about it, perhaps proof I don't have a life?

Ivan Seeking

Yes we must be blind since we don't believe unsubstantiated claims made by some person on the internet.

Where do you get your information about bugs. Does this require a meeting?

zoobyshoe

Also, he wasn't locked in the sort of closet we think of as a closet today. It was "a monarch's or official's private chamber". Could well have been quite roomy.