How do I reparameterize a curve with respect to arc length?

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The discussion revolves around the process of reparameterizing a curve with respect to arc length, specifically focusing on the curve defined by the parametric equation r(t)=e^t*sin(t) i + e^t*cos(t) j. Participants explore the implications of starting the parameterization at t=0 and how to handle different points on the curve, such as (1,1).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to find the arc length when given a specific point (1,1) instead of starting at t=0.
  • Another participant clarifies that identifying the point corresponding to t=0 is separate from the reparameterization process.
  • Several participants emphasize the need to calculate the integral for arc length and then invert the relationship between t and s to find t(s).
  • There is a suggestion that determining |r'(t)| first could simplify the integral, though this approach is contested by another participant who argues for solving the integral directly.
  • A later reply proposes a method to find the t value associated with a point (x,y) by solving the parametric equations, but notes that this can be complicated.
  • One participant provides the derivative of r(t) and its magnitude as part of the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to handle the integral and the implications of starting from a specific point on the curve. There is no consensus on the method for finding |r'(t)| when given a point other than t=0.

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Participants highlight the importance of correctly interpreting the relationship between parameter values and points on the curve, as well as the potential confusion arising from different methods of simplification.

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I have a question about reparameterizing curves. My specific question is "Reparameterize the curve with respect to the arc length measured from the point where t=0 in the direction of increasing t. r(t)=e^t*sint i +e^t*cost j"

I understand the whole process about finding the answer, but I have one important problem, when they give you a point "t=0" does that point plug into the derivative of r(t) and you solve for |r(t)| from there? And if I replace that t=0 with a point (1,1) or something, how do I go about dealing with that?

Thanks!
 
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First of all:
And if I replace that t=0 with a point (1,1) or something, how do I go about dealing with that?
This has nothing to do with (re)-parametrizing a curve; rather, it is to identify the point in the plane on the curve that the parameter value t=0 determines.

Note that we have the arclength-formula from the beginning of a curve at t=0:
[tex]s(t)=\int_{0}^{t}||\frac{d\vec{r}}{d\tau}||d\tau[/tex]

Hence, the first thing you have to do in order to reparametrize, is to calculate the integral!

The second thing to, is to invert the relationship between t and s; i.e., rather than having the function s(t), you must find the correct function t(s).

the third thing you must do, is to substitute t(s) for t in your parametric equation.
 
arildno said:
First of all:

This has nothing to do with (re)-parametrizing a curve; rather, it is to identify the point in the plane on the curve that the parameter value t=0 determines.

Note that we have the arclength-formula from the beginning of a curve at t=0:
[tex]s(t)=\int_{0}^{t}||\frac{d\vec{r}}{d\tau}||d\tau[/tex]

Hence, the first thing you have to do in order to reparametrize, is to calculate the integral!

The second thing to, is to invert the relationship between t and s; i.e., rather than having the function s(t), you must find the correct function t(s).

the third thing you must do, is to substitute t(s) for t in your parametric equation.

Right, I understand I have to find the integral first, but to make the integral easier, my teacher told use to first determine |r'(t)|, which gives you a number and when finding the integral you simply add a 't' to the end of the number which gives you the function s(t). And then you you find t(s) and plug it into the original equation.

My question was when you are given a point (1,1) rather than t=0 how do you find the |r'(t)| since the point (1,1) corresponds to (x,y)??
 
mathrocks said:
Right, I understand I have to find the integral first, but to make the integral easier, my teacher told use to first determine |r'(t)|, which gives you a number and when finding the integral you simply add a 't' to the end of the number which gives you the function s(t). And then you you find t(s) and plug it into the original equation.

My question was when you are given a point (1,1) rather than t=0 how do you find the |r'(t)| since the point (1,1) corresponds to (x,y)??


There's no reason to make the integral easier. This isn't a complicated integral that needs some "trick" to help you see the solution. And since the trick just seems to be confusing you (and I'm pretty sure it's not even correct, unless I'm misunderstanding your description of it) there really isn't any reason to use it. You're better off just solving things the proper way. As was already said, the proper thing to do to get s(t) is to solve:

[tex]s(t)=\int_0^t\lVert \mathbf{r}^{\prime}(\tau) \rVert\;d\tau[/tex]

Once you solve that you just find t(s) and then plug it into r(t).

Edited to add: if you really insist, you can find the t value associated with some (x,y) by solving e^t*sin(t) = x and e^t*cos(t) = y for t in terms of x and y. You can then use that t value to find ||r'(t)|| at (x,y). But that's very messy.
 
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Hint:
[tex]\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}=e^{t}((\cos(t)-\sin(t))\vec{i}+(\cos(t)+\sin(t))\vec{j})[/tex]
[tex]||\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}||=\sqrt{2}e^{t}[/tex]
 

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