Differential equations and chemistry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of differential equations (DFQs) in chemistry, particularly in relation to reaction rates and equilibrium problems. Participants explore whether and how differential equations can be utilized in chemical contexts, including both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a sample problem connecting differential equations to chemistry, specifically mentioning second-order reaction rates and expressing uncertainty about setting it up.
  • Another participant asserts that differential equations do not apply to chemistry, suggesting a lack of relevance.
  • A different participant counters that differential equations are indeed applicable, particularly in equilibrium problems, and notes that many physical or chemical processes governed by changes can be described by such equations.
  • There is a mention of quantum chemistry and its relation to differential equations, questioning if the focus should be solely on ordinary differential equations (ODEs).
  • One participant acknowledges that while calculus is not a prerequisite for general chemistry, the concepts of first and second-order rate laws are present in chemistry literature, indicating a potential gap in understanding among students.
  • Another participant expresses interest in exploring the relationship between second-order equations and chemistry, as well as linear first-order equations, referencing previous experiences with mixing problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of differential equations in chemistry. Some argue that they are essential for understanding various chemical processes, while others maintain that they do not apply. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and nature of this application.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate that their understanding of the relationship between differential equations and chemistry may be limited by their educational background, particularly in calculus. There is also a suggestion that certain chemical concepts may not be explicitly linked to differential equations in standard educational materials.

Will
[SOLVED] Differential equations and chemistry

Would someone be so kind as to cook me up a sample problem relating DFQ's to chemistry? Maybe a reaction rate type problem? I do know that the rate of change in say, a 2nd order reaction is proportional to the concentration squared, but I don't know exactly how to set it up.
This is for my own interest only, nothing assigned from school. In fact, I want to learn this because even my Chem prof. didn't know exactly how to do it, and there isn't much in chem. that this guy doesn't know. I have just completed my first course in DFQ's, and its application really interests me. Would I be able to understand this type of problem? I only know how to do at most homogenous and non-homogenous 2nd order equations(and also systems of equations), and we started to do Laplace Transforms at the end of the course. I think we skipped some of the more sophisticated stuff.
If someone could come up with something, this would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I don't think, that differential equations apply to chemistry.
 
Originally posted by Will
Maybe a reaction rate type problem? I do know that the rate of change in say, a 2nd order reaction is proportional to the concentration squared, but I don't know exactly how to set it up.

That's pretty straightforward. Check this out:

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/chemistry/RateLaw.html

This is for my own interest only, nothing assigned from school. In fact, I want to learn this because even my Chem prof. didn't know exactly how to do it, and there isn't much in chem. that this guy doesn't know.

That sounds pretty strange, as the stuff in the website above (at least 1st and 2nd order rate laws) is in every general chemistry book.
 
Originally posted by Turtle
I don't think, that differential equations apply to chemistry.

Oh, no. All equilibrium problems are indeed differential equations, even if normally chemistry books don't say it explicitely. Indeed almost any process (physical or chemical) involving changes is rules by equations of this type. Look for example at thermodynamical problems.
 


Originally posted by Tom

That sounds pretty strange, as the stuff in the website above (at least 1st and 2nd order rate laws) is in every general chemistry book.

Thats because calculus is not a pre-req for general chem, so its not explicitly stated. The website cleared that up, that is exactly the info I wanted. It was simpler than I thought, all just separable 1st order eq.
So what about 2nd order equations, are they any related to chemistry,? Or how about linear first order eq? We did some like that in mixing problems already, but all problems assumed that the solute instantaneously mixed into solution.
 

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