What has the initial NOTHING turned into?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "nothing" and its relation to the origins of the universe, particularly in the context of the Big Bang theory and theological interpretations. Participants explore philosophical implications and scientific theories regarding the transition from nothing to something.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that both the Bible and physics agree on the notion of an initial state of nothingness, questioning how something can arise from nothing.
  • The same participant proposes that if everything were returned to an initial state, it might lead back to nothing, raising questions about the nature of change and existence.
  • Another participant asserts that scientists do not know what preceded the Big Bang and that the idea of starting from nothing is speculative, mentioning alternative theories like cyclic models or brane collisions.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim, stating that neither science nor theology supports the assertion that there was nothing at the beginning, labeling it as bad science and theology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of "nothing" and its implications for the origins of the universe. There is no consensus on the validity of the claims made regarding the relationship between science and theology, nor on the nature of the initial state of the universe.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on interpretations of theological texts and scientific theories, which may not be universally accepted or validated. The discussion includes speculative ideas that remain unresolved and depend on varying definitions of "nothing."

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I can't help noticing that both the Bible and Physics state that in the biginning there was nothing. Based on my understanding of the lever I know this is right. So having in mind that nothing has nothing to change, which makes it unchangeable, how can we have something now? Are we considering the things only partially without their anti-thing?

Is it that if we put back every thing in the initial position (or if the universe's expansion is reversable) then we will end up with the initial nothing?

In the cartoon about Moses there was this quote: "You must look things though heavent's eyes". It's something like (I experience it this way) if you want to have complete physical system then you must have summarily nothing.

No hard feelings!
 
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Scientists really don't know what the big bang started from. Starting from nothing is pure guess. There are many other ideas floating around, such as cyclic, or brane collision. Unfortunately current observation (which is ultimately what really matters) is unable to validate any of these or other ideas.
 
dedaNoe said:
I can't help noticing that both the Bible and Physics state that in the biginning there was nothing.
Bad science and bad theology. Neither say that.
 

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