Black hole might crunch the many planets into marble-sized spheres

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of black holes, particularly focusing on their ability to absorb mass and energy, the mechanisms behind jet expulsion, and the conditions under which black holes might radiate. Participants explore theoretical implications and various models related to black hole physics, including Hawking radiation and the effects of environmental temperature on radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why black holes expel jets of energy if they can absorb mass and energy, suggesting a potential link to wormholes.
  • Another participant clarifies that jets occur outside the event horizon, where spacetime curvature allows for visible phenomena, while anything crossing the event horizon is lost to observation.
  • Links to external resources are provided to illustrate jet expulsion from supermassive black holes.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether black holes eject anything other than Hawking radiation, with one suggesting hypernovae as a possible source of gamma-ray jets.
  • Another participant asserts that black holes do emit strong gamma rays due to particle production near the event horizon, although these emissions may be difficult to detect due to background radiation.
  • A participant emphasizes that particles are formed just outside the event horizon rather than being ejected from the black hole itself.
  • Discussion includes a technical examination of blackbody radiation and the conditions under which a black hole can radiate, referencing the environmental temperature of the universe and critical mass thresholds for radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of emissions from black holes, particularly regarding the distinction between Hawking radiation and other forms of radiation or jets. There is no consensus on the mechanisms of jet formation or the conditions under which black holes radiate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific theoretical conditions and mathematical formulations related to black hole thermodynamics, indicating that the discussion is limited by the assumptions underlying these models and the definitions of terms used.

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If the black hole has infinite capacity to store mass,why,in a case of the sucking up of the sun,why would their(crudely described)sunny-side up expel huge jet streams of flames and heat? Cant they absorb heat energy and UV since they have capacity to collect mass?

If it is possible the Black hole might crunch the many planets into marble-sized spheres,but a wormhole...? :eek:
 
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The big jets and so on happen outside the boundary of the black hole, the so called event horizon. Anything that goes through the event horizon disapppears and no news ever comes back about it. But close to the event horizon, spacetime is strongly curved, and this provides the energy for lots of visible action, not only jets but swooping stars and radiating clouds of gas.
 
Im not sure black holes eject anything apart from HAWKING RADIATION.
could you be thinking of a hypernova expelling jets of gamma rays?
 
black holes do eject very stong gamma rays. This is because at the event horizon, there is virtual/real particle production, and some of these particles do escape. According to stephen hawking, these gamma rays are very intence, and cannot be detected because of too much rediation from other sources in the universe.
 
BTW, these particles are not "ejected from the black hole". They are formed in the space just outside the event horizon, where things can still escape.
 
Nenad said:
black holes do eject very stong gamma rays. This is because at the event horizon, there is virtual/real particle production, and some of these particles do escape. According to stephen hawking, these gamma rays are very intence, and cannot be detected because of too much rediation from other sources in the universe.
The more massive the BH, the less there is virtual particle production. The sites posted and most descriptions will tell you that the EM radiation (gamma-to-radio) and especially the jets are from heated accretion matter near the event horizon, like selfAdjoint said.

Just read the caption under the graphic at:
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/ne...leases/1990/29/
that Nommos Prime posted.
 
Critical Criterion...



Classical blackbody radiation is dependent upon any radiating body being warmer than its natural environment.

The environmental temperature of the Universe:
[tex]T_b = 2.726 K[/tex] - (COBE 1990)

The Kerr Temperature for a BH with angular momentum is:
[tex]T_k = \frac{\hbar c^3}{K_o G M_k}[/tex]

[tex]K_o[/tex] - Boltzmann's constant

For any object to radiate, its natural temperature must exceed the temperature of its natural environment.

[tex]T_k \geq T_b[/tex]

Orion1-Kerr Critical Mass for BH thermodynamics:
[tex]M_b = \frac{\hbar c^3}{K_o G T_b}[/tex]

BH Masses which exceed this mass do not radiate, but actually increase in mass instead. However note that such a mass could eventually radiate when the Universe's natural environmental temperature becomes cool enough.

Described here, a Kerr BH mass must be 5.285 times smaller than Terra's mass, in order to radiate.
[tex]M_b = 1.131*10^{24} kg[/tex]

 
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