Time projection chamber and energy

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the energy of incident particles in time projection chambers (TPCs), focusing on the methods used to infer energy from measured signals and the limitations of these methods. The scope includes theoretical and practical aspects of particle detection and energy measurement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the energy of the incident particle can be inferred from the number of charges collected by the anode and the known energy required to create an electron/ion pair in the gas.
  • Another participant mentions the use of the Bethe-Bloch formula to calculate the energy lost by the particle in the gas, assuming a continuous energy loss.
  • A later reply indicates that the Bethe-Bloch formula may not be applicable for high-energy particles, as it levels off at a constant value for highly relativistic particles.
  • It is proposed that a more reliable method for inferring energy involves placing the TPC within a uniform magnetic field to analyze the curvature of the particle tracks, which can provide momentum information that relates to energy in the relativistic domain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in the methods discussed, with some uncertainty regarding the application of the Bethe-Bloch formula for high-energy particles. There is no consensus on a single method for calculating energy, indicating multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions made about energy loss being continuous and the applicability of the Bethe-Bloch formula across different energy regimes. The discussion does not resolve these limitations.

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Hi all !

I'm currently studying time projection chambers and I am wondering how the energy of the incident particle (the one that ionizes the gas in the drift chamber) is calculated from the measured signals.

Does anyone have some hints for me ?

Thanks a lot for your answers.
Best regards
 
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Hi

It is quite simple:

- You have access to a number of charges (electrons) collected by the anode in your TPC when a ionizing particule came in
- you may know the energy needed to create a electron/ion pair in your gaz (in eV)

- so you can infer the energy lost by the particule in the gaz

- you know the energy lost (dE) fot a length (dx) of gaz

- you just assume (in first approximation) that your particule lost her E in a continue way

- then, by using Bethe-Block formulae, you have the incident E of you particule (cos' you already know the A,Z,rho,I of your gaz..)

You may be able to find better way to find it, but I think it works (by asking my memories ...)

Thus ...
 
Thanks

Thanks a lot Wolverine !

I came to the same conclusions, but I was still quite unsure about it (I'm not used to Bethe-Bloch, so this looked fuzzy to me).

All the best !
 
wolverine said:
- then, by using Bethe-Block formulae, you have the incident E of you particule (cos' you already know the A,Z,rho,I of your gaz..)

Thus ...

This doesn't work for high energy particles, because the B-B formula levels off to a constant value (called the "minimum ionizing particle limit") when the particle is highly relativistic. The usual way the energy is inferred with a tracker such as a TPC is by putting the whole thing within a uniform magnetic field. The particles ionize along a track, and you can find those tracks back in a TPC. From the curvature of the track, you can infer the momentum (which equals the energy in the relativistic domain).

cheers,
Patrick.
 

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