Weinberg vs. Misner, Thorne and Wheeler

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The discussion centers around the comparison of two prominent texts on general relativity: "Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler (MTW) and "Gravitation and Cosmology" by Weinberg. Participants explore which book may be more suitable for beginners based on prior knowledge and learning goals in general relativity.

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  • Some participants suggest that the choice between MTW and Weinberg depends on the reader's existing knowledge and objectives in studying general relativity.
  • MTW is described as more "geometrical" and abstract, while Weinberg is characterized as more "practical".
  • One participant mentions their background in special relativity and mathematics, indicating a desire to learn general relativity to address the Quantum Gravity problem.
  • Another participant expresses that while MTW covers many special topics, they found it challenging for self-study due to its structure.
  • Some participants note that Weinberg may be easier to read and follow sequentially compared to MTW.
  • There are suggestions that for Quantum Gravity, MTW might be more beneficial, but other texts such as D'Inverno's, Carroll's, or Wald's could serve as better introductory resources before tackling MTW.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of MTW versus Weinberg, indicating that there is no consensus on which book is definitively better for beginners in general relativity.

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Some limitations in the discussion include varying levels of prior knowledge among participants and differing interpretations of what constitutes a "practical" versus "geometrical" approach to general relativity.

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Which book on general relativity is better to start with?


"Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne and Wheeler,

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"Gravitation and Cosmology" by Weinberg ?
 
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In my opinion, it depends on what you know already and what you want to learn in general relativity [or "get out of learning" general relativity].

MTW is more "geometrical" and more abstract.
Weinberg is more "practical", in some sense.
 
robphy said:
In my opinion, it depends on what you know already and what you want to learn in general relativity [or "get out of learning" general relativity].

MTW is more "geometrical" and more abstract.
Weinberg is more "practical", in some sense.
I learned special relativity a couple of years ago. I know still (almost) nothing about GR. I'm starting in my fourth year now. Up to now I've been doing both physics and mathematics, so I know already something about curvature, Christoffel symbols, connections etc.

Why do I want to learn GR? To solve the Quantum Gravity problem!
 
MTW, the "big black book", is great to have around for all the special topics it covers. But I myself wasn't able to use it for self training. All those different threads and sidebars made it a slog.
 
I like Weinberg is better than MTW.

Pete
 
It's probably fair to say that Weinberg is a particle-physicist and Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler are relativists. So, these perspectives appear in their respective texts.

I tried (and failed) to read MTW sequentially. Instead, I jumped around to the various topics... and I still go back at times trying to understand the subtleties. Weinberg is easier to read and work through sequentially.

For Quantum Gravity, it might be better to go with MTW. However, you might find that D'Inverno's "Introducing Einstein's Relativity", Carroll's "Spacetime and Geometry:An Introduction to General Relativity", or Wald's "General Relativity", might be better books to start off with... on the road to MTW.

Here are some useful guides from Carroll's website
http://pancake.uchicago.edu/~carroll/grbook/bibliography.html
and from Baez's website
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/reading.html
 
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