Do black holes have any translational motion?

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The discussion centers around the translational motion of black holes, exploring whether they can exhibit such motion in addition to their known spin or rotational components. Participants delve into the implications of black holes' motion relative to galaxies and other cosmic structures, as well as the nature of black holes themselves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that black holes may have translational motion, but this is dependent on the frame of reference considered.
  • One participant theorizes that a star losing its translational motion is more likely to become a nova or supernova before forming a black hole.
  • Another participant notes that while black holes are theorized to have spin, not all black holes necessarily possess this property.
  • There is a discussion about the stability of galaxies versus stars, with some arguing that galaxies are stable against gravitational collapse while stars are not.
  • Questions are raised regarding quasars and whether they can be considered exploding galaxies, with a participant admitting limited knowledge on the topic.
  • One participant explains that while black holes generally retain angular momentum from their progenitor stars, it is theoretically possible to describe a black hole without spin.
  • The "black holes have no hair" theorem is mentioned, which states that black holes are characterized by their mass, angular momentum, and charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of translational motion in black holes and the implications of their spin. There is no consensus on whether all black holes have spin or the nature of quasars, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on definitions and assumptions about black holes and their properties, and there are unresolved questions regarding the nature of quasars and the stability of galaxies versus stars.

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Can black holes translate ?

Black holes are theorized to have spin or rotational component of motion. But do black holes have a translational component of motion? Relatively speaking, black holes are more at rest than anything I know in the visible universe.
 
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My theory is that if a star stop moving, losing its translational motion, it is more likely to become a nova or supernova and then becoming a black hole.
 
Unlike spin, net translational motion is not an internal property of a system being considered. Keep in mind that each galaxy probably contains a supermassive black hole at its center, and galaxies can be in any number of states of relative motion.
 
zefram c said:
and galaxies can be in any number of states of relative motion.

Is this the reason why a galaxy can never explode but only its individual stellar component? What about quasars? Are they not exploding galaxies?
 
zefram_c said:
galaxies can be in any number of states of relative motion
I meant this to say that galaxies (and the black holes at their centers) are in motion relative to one another, i.e. if we would claim that the BH in our own galaxy is stationary, then BH's in the centers of other galaxies would naturally appear to us as moving. So yes, BH's can have translational motion, but it depends on the frame of reference you consider. As far as its angular momentum is concerned, however, everyone in inertial frames will agree on it.
Antonio Lao said:
Is this the reason why a galaxy can never explode but only its individual stellar component?
Galaxies are generally stable against (further) gravitational collapse; the matter that was close to the center collapsed in the BH and the stars in the rest of the galaxy orbit the center of the galaxy. The vast majority of these orbits are non-relativistic and Newtonian mechanics is sufficient to show that the orbits are stable.

Stars on the other hand are NOT inherently stable against the collapse. That's why stars form from collapsing hydrogen clouds in the first place. Here's a short list of why various stars are stable (ie what what mechanism acts against gravity)
Main sequence (like our sun): pressure of the photons emitted in nuclear reactions. In fact it takes 100 million years for a photon created at the core to escape through the surface!
Red giants / Supergiants: Other nuclear reactions from fusing elements heavier than hydrogen.
White / black dwarves: electron degeneracy pressure
Neutron stars: neutron degeneracy pressure

Antonio Lao said:
What about quasars? Are they not exploding galaxies?
I will have to refer you to someone more knowledgeable regarding quasars; my knowledge of the way they generate their energy is limited.
 
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zefram c,

Thanks for all these information on cosmic activities.
 
Antonio Lao said:
Black holes are theorized to have spin or rotational component of motion. But do black holes have a translational component of motion? Relatively speaking, black holes are more at rest than anything I know in the visible universe.
Not all black wholes have spin.
those that do are generally expected to bulge around the centre.
We call a black hole a singularity because no laws of physics can explain what is going on inside and because we cannot directly observe them we cannot see what is going on.
 
jamie said:
Not all black wholes have spin.
those that do are generally expected to bulge around the centre.
We call a black hole a singularity because no laws of physics can explain what is going on inside and because we cannot directly observe them we cannot see what is going on.

Hi Jamie;

How do we know that all Blackholes do not spin? I just assumed they did. Can you please explain?

Thanks for any explanation.
 
Generally a star has some internal angular momentum, like spinning around its own axis. Even when the star collapses, this has to be conserved. After the collapse is complete, the core - whether it's now a white dwarf, neutron star or BH - usually retains at least some angular momentum. So in practice, it's virtually imposssible to find a BH with no spin whatsoever. But one can certainly write down a BH solution that does not contain any angular momentum. To make it easier for you to look this up, they're called as follows:
L=0, Q=0 : Schwarzschild black hole / spacetime geometry
L>0, Q=0 : Kerr black hole / spacetime geometry
L=0, |Q|>0 : Reissner-Nordström ...
L>0, |Q|>0 : Kerr-Newman ...
The "black holes have no hair" theorem states that a black hole is completely characterized by its values of M, L, and Q so this should be it. I don't know if that theorem is proved or not.
 
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