Understanding the Lorentz Transformation: Unpacking the Mathematical Steps

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The discussion centers around the mathematical derivation of the Lorentz Transformation, specifically focusing on the steps leading to the equation involving the term (1 - (v^2/c^2)). Participants are exploring the relationships between various equations presented in Einstein's Relativity and attempting to clarify the mathematical reasoning behind them.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the mathematical steps of the Lorentz Transformation as presented in a specific text.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical explanation, factoring out terms and substituting variables to derive the equation x' = ax(1 - (v^2/c^2)).
  • A third participant introduces a swimming analogy to illustrate a concept related to the transformation, deriving a relationship between distances that parallels the Lorentz Transformation's mathematical form.
  • A later reply reiterates the mathematical explanation provided earlier, confirming the derivation of the term (1 - (v^2/c^2)) through similar steps.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation process, as multiple approaches and explanations are presented. The discussion includes differing methods of explanation and derivation without resolving which is the most accurate or preferred.

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Some participants' explanations rely on specific assumptions about the relationships between variables, and there may be unresolved mathematical steps in the derivations presented. The analogy used in one post does not directly address the original question but offers a different perspective on the underlying concepts.

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I don't know which math forum to put this in but perhaps someone here could help out.

I want to figure out the mathematics behind the Lorentz Transformation so I can understand it better. I've got a copy of Einstein's Relativity which was reprinted by Three Rivers Press a few years ago.

In the Appendix there's a section on the Lorentz Transformation and I've hit a wall in figuring out the steps between the equations.

On page 133 they have the following equation sets;

(5)
x' = ax - bct
ct' = act - bx

(6)

v = bc/a

On page 134 it gave an example where if a snapshot was taken from K'(t'=0) and t was removed from equations (5) where;

x' = ax - bc
0 = ac - bx

and taking into account expression (6), the following equation was derived;

x' = a(1-(v^2/c^2))x

Where did the (1-(v^2/c^2)) come from?
 
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I'll attempt a purely mathematical explanation, I don't know **** about relativity ;)

Factor out the a and the x, and use the fact that bc/a = v.

[tex]x' = ax - bc = a(x - \frac{bc}{a}) = a(x - v) = ax(1 - \frac{v}{x})[/tex].

But [tex]0 = ac - bx[/tex] was given, so [tex]bx = ac[/tex], so [tex]x = \frac{ac}{b}[/tex]. Substituting into the previous equation yields

[tex]x' = ax(1 - \frac{v}{ac/b}) = ax(1 - \frac{bv}{ac}) = ax(1 - \frac{b}{a} \cdot \frac{v}{c})[/tex].

But [tex]v = bc/a[/tex] (given), so [tex]\frac{b}{a} = \frac{v}{c}[/tex]. Thus

[tex]x' = ax(1 - \frac{v}{c} \cdot \frac{v}{c}) = ax(1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2})[/tex].
 
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Here's a derivation that has nothing to do with relativity:

A man is swimming in a river. The man can swim at "c" m/s in still water and the river is flowing at "v" m/s.

First the man swims a distance d downstream and then back up again. Of course, down stream his speed, relative to the shore, is v+c so it takes him time t<sub>1</sub>= d/(v+c) rto do that. Swimming back up stream his speed, still relative to the shore, is c- v so it takes him t<sub>2</sub> = d/(c-v) to do that:total time downstream and back, d/(c+v)+ d/(c-v)= (d(c-v)+ d(c+v))/((c-v)(c+v))= 2dc(c<sup>2</sup>- v<sup>2</sup>).

Now, he swims across the river a distance d' and back again. Drawing a vector diagram, it should be clear that he has to angle upstream slightly so that there is a right triangle with length ct (what he would swim if there were no current), vertical leg vt (how the current pushes him downstream), and horiontal leg (across the river) d'. That is: c<sup>2<sup>t<sup>2</sup>= v<sup>2</sup>+ d'<sup>2</sup>. Solving for t, t<sup>2<sup>= d'<sup>2</sup>/(c<sup>2</sup>- v<sup>2</sup>) and t= [itex]\frac{d'}{\sqrt{c^2- v^2}}[/itex].
That's one way: doing exactly the same thing back, the total time to swim out and back is [itex]\frac{2d'}{\sqrt{c^2- v^2}}[/itex].

Now suppose he finds that the two times are the same. What is the relationship between d and d'?

We have t= [itex]\frac{2dc}{c^2-v^2}= \frac{2d'}{\sqrt{c^2- v^2}}[/itex]

That gives
d= [itex]\frac{d' \sqrt{c^2- v^2}}{c}[/itex]
= [itex]d' \sqrt{1- (v/c)^2}[/itex].

Do you see how that is connected to the Michaelson-Morley experiment?
 
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Muzza said:
I'll attempt a purely mathematical explanation, I don't know **** about relativity ;)

Factor out the a and the x, and use the fact that bc/a = v.

[tex]x' = ax - bc = a(x - \frac{bc}{a}) = a(x - v) = ax(1 - \frac{v}{x})[/tex].

But [tex]0 = ac - bx[/tex] was given, so [tex]bx = ac[/tex], so [tex]x = \frac{ac}{b}[/tex]. Substituting into the previous equation yields

[tex]x' = ax(1 - \frac{v}{ac/b}) = ax(1 - \frac{bv}{ac}) = ax(1 - \frac{b}{a} \cdot \frac{v}{c})[/tex].

But [tex]v = bc/a[/tex] (given), so [tex]\frac{b}{a} = \frac{v}{c}[/tex]. Thus

[tex]x' = ax(1 - \frac{v}{c} \cdot \frac{v}{c}) = ax(1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2})[/tex].

Thanks. It's been quite a while since I've factored equations.
 

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