The discussion revolves around the hierarchy of academic degrees offered by universities, particularly focusing on the doctorate and its status compared to other degrees like the Master's and terminal degrees in specific fields. Participants explore the differences between institutions that offer various levels of degrees and the implications of these differences.
The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of degree hierarchies being explored. Some participants have provided insights into specific institutions and their offerings, while others are seeking clarification on the definitions and implications of different degrees.
There are references to specific universities and their degree offerings, as well as the distinction between research-focused and primarily educational institutions. The discussion includes personal experiences and opinions regarding the quality of programs at different universities.
e(ho0n3 said:Doctorate is not the highest level by the way. Some schools only offer Master degrees because they just don't have the staff/money/interest/whatever... to support anything 'higher'.
True.HallsofIvy said:In some fields the doctorate is not the highest level. For example, the "Master of Fine Arts" is considered a "terminal" degree in the fine arts (painting, sculpture, etc.) and the "Master of Business Administration" might be considered a terminal degree in businees but your response sounds like there is a degree higher than doctorate: I'm wondering what it is.
In Germany there is something called the "Habilitation" which translates to something like: post-doctoral lecture qualification. If you know some maths. history, you'll remember that a lot of famous german mathematicians did there "Habilitation", which was usually harder than getting a doctorate since you had to do what is known as a "Habilitationsschrift" which is basically the book you have to write after getting your doctorate. This is usually done by Doctors who want to become full professors.Then what is the "highest level"??
Let's start my opinion, California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo is one of the Cal State campuses in California. It only offers Master degree that is the highest level for this campus. What is the difference between Engineering Program offered by it and that of UC system?JohnDubYa said:RE: " post-doctoral lecture qualification. "
Gee, I did a post-doc. I never realized that entitled me to an even HIGHER degree. :)
RE: "In the United States, some universities offer the highest level -Doctorate level and some offers only up to Master's degrees. What is the difference between these universities? For what intention ? May I know the details about that?"
Some universities cannot give out doctorates because their charter signified them as primarily educational, not research, institutions. The California State University system is one example (although they sometimes give out doctorates in the weaker subjects).
To answer your question, we need to know what you are seeking.
Cal Poly,SLO is said to be comparable to Cal Tech and MIT in the U.S. I don't think so. But it is the best one in Cal State campuses .JohnDubYa said:Cal Poly probably has the stronger engineering program at the undergraduate level (I used to teach there), primarily because it is focused more on education than research. (Although it tends to fall into the research-research-research trap just like all the other universities.)
Given its locale and reputation, I would certainly pick it over any UC, unless there are considerations that you have left out of the discussion.
Have you visited San Luis Obispo? I know the area like the back of my hand. Great weather, lots of parties, and zero crime. Great place to live and have a good time. If you are planning on visiting, shoot me a private message and I will fill you in.
The UC campuses are meant for graduate students and faculty. I can't think of a single one that I would want to attend as an undergraduate, but that's just me. Maybe others disagree.
How is the Master Degree offered by Cal Poly? What do you think of the quality of Master Degree program of Cal Poly?JohnDubYa said:As an UNDERGRADUATE, I would rather attend Cal Poly than Cal Tech or MIT if I was later going to enter grad school.
How about Aerospace Engineering Program of Cal Poly?JohnDubYa said:Cal Poly has no Masters degree in physics. All focus is on undegraduate instruction.
Have you visited San Luis Obispo? I know the area like the back of my hand. Great weather, lots of parties, and zero crime. Great place to live and have a good time. If you are planning on visiting, shoot me a private message and I will fill you in.
Given its locale and reputation, I would certainly pick it over any UC, unless there are considerations that you have left out of the discussion.
Desipite being the best CSU you can attend, it still isn't at the UC level (on second thought, maybe up there with riverside).
The physics classes here at Davis are around 120 students each and yes the labs are taught by grad students.