New Reply

Pressure energy(fluid mechanics)

 
Share Thread Thread Tools
Sep19-09, 08:38 AM   #1
 

Pressure energy(fluid mechanics)


Can any one please help me on the term pressure energy what does it really mean and If possible the calculations involved with it!!
PhysOrg.com
PhysOrg
physics news on PhysOrg.com

>> Study provides better understanding of water's freezing behavior at nanoscale
>> Soft matter offers new ways to study how ordered materials arrange themselves
>> Making quantum encryption practical
Sep19-09, 09:19 AM   #2
 
Mentor
Pressure times volume is energy. So if that product changes then the energy has changed.
Sep20-09, 02:22 AM   #3
 
Strictly speaking isn't change in volume times a constant pressure energy ?
so if you had a situation where your volume stayed constant but your volume changed you would have a change in enthalpy ? i.e
dU = TdS - PdV
dH = TdS + VdP
Sep29-09, 06:23 AM   #4
 

Pressure energy(fluid mechanics)


Quote by DaleSpam View Post
Pressure times volume is energy. So if that product changes then the energy has changed.
Thank you for the reply,
But what is really that volume and the pressure.
May you please elaborated it, Probably by using the model for the derivation for Bernouli's Theorem!

You know what, I know its reasonable for the pressure energy to be involved i the calculations for bernouli's theorem, But I was shocked when it was written that;

Pressure energy=mgh

Thank you!!
Sep29-09, 06:28 AM   #5
 
Quote by thrillhouse86 View Post
Strictly speaking isn't change in volume times a constant pressure energy ?
so if you had a situation where your volume stayed constant but your volume changed you would have a change in enthalpy ? i.e
dU = TdS - PdV
dH = TdS + VdP


Excuse me! Am really out of phase for what you just explained!
May you tell ,e in detail may be would solve my problem!
But I was in the derivation for Bernouli's theorem,
How can pressure energy=mgh
Where h=Height above the point of which total energy is to be calculated!

And seriously am not yet familiar with enthalpy so may you elaborate more!
Thank you!
Sep29-09, 09:15 AM   #6
 
Mentor
Quote by Godwin Kessy View Post
But what is really that volume and the pressure.
May you please elaborated it
It is any volume that you are interested in and the pressure within that volume. For instance, if you are interested in the work done by a piston as it expands then you would take the pressure inside the piston times the volume of the piston at the beginning of the power stroke and at the end of the power stroke. The difference is the work done by the piston during the expansion.

Similarly, if you are interested in the work done by the heart in one heartbeat you can plot the left ventricular pressure by the left ventricular volume and find the area enclosed over one heartbeat.

If you are interested in the amount of work being done on a differential element of a fluid flow you can do the same thing.

Quote by Godwin Kessy View Post
I was shocked when it was written that;

Pressure energy=mgh
You should be shocked, it is not true in general. For instance, in outer space g=0, so mgh = 0, but pressure times volume is still energy and pistons and compressors don't run without energy input! Also, consider on earth, you can heat a gas inside a closed container, this will increase P and therefore increase PV without changing mgh.
Oct2-09, 08:46 AM   #7
 
Quote by DaleSpam View Post

You should be shocked, it is not true in general.
Seriously it is true am telling you! May be you should look it over and help me out!
Its under the derivation of Bernouli's theorem!
Nov25-10, 02:09 PM   #8
 
to move the subject 'pressure energy' a bit back from math to physics the atachement Zeppos10 added to the following link might be usefull:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthr...errerid=219693
Nov25-10, 07:10 PM   #9
 
Mentor
Quote by Godwin Kessy View Post
Seriously it is true am telling you! May be you should look it over and help me out!
Its under the derivation of Bernouli's theorem!
you didn't get what Dale meant by "general". There are many different types of pressure energy including several others in bernoulli's equation. Pressure due to gravity is only one type.
Nov26-10, 02:12 AM   #10
 
Recognitions:
Homework Helper Homework Help
Quote by Godwin Kessy View Post
Bernoulli ... Pressure energy=mgh
Not quite, it's an inverse relationship. Bernoulli's equation multiplied by volume results in:

static_pressure_energy + kinetic_energy + gravitational_potential_energy = constant

(Note Bernoulli's equation assumes no external work is performed).

For the gravitational component, using water as an example, as depth increases, static_pressure_energy increases, gravitational_potential_energy decreases, and vice versa.
New Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads for: Pressure energy(fluid mechanics)
Thread Forum Replies
Fluid Mechanics Pressure Intensity Diagrams General Engineering 3
Fluid pressure, energy and temperature Classical Physics 0
Fluid Mechanics, Pressure Classical Physics 8
Fluid Mechanics - Pressure - U-Tube Manometer Introductory Physics Homework 14
Fluid Mechanics - Pressure measurements Introductory Physics Homework 2