What is the 50th derivative of F(x)=Cos(2x)?

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The discussion revolves around finding the 50th derivative of the function F(x) = Cos(2x). Participants explore various methods for differentiating the function and identifying patterns in the derivatives, focusing on the implications of negative signs and the periodic nature of the derivatives.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the first few derivatives of F(x) = Cos(2x) but expresses confusion regarding the pattern of negative signs in the derivatives.
  • Another participant suggests that differentiating cosine introduces a negative sign, while differentiating sine does not, indicating a pattern in the signs of the derivatives.
  • A different approach is proposed, where a participant rewrites the derivatives in terms of cosine functions with phase shifts, suggesting a formula for the i-th derivative.
  • One participant focuses on even derivatives, proposing a general formula for the (2n)-th derivative and suggesting proof by induction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to determine the 50th derivative, as multiple approaches and interpretations of the derivative patterns are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the periodicity of the derivatives and the handling of negative signs are not fully resolved, and there may be dependencies on definitions of derivative sequences.

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The qeustion was what is the 50th dy/dx of F(x)=Cos(2x)
this is what i did
1st------dy/dx=-2Sin(2x)
2nd------dy/dx=-4Cos(2x)
3rd-------dy/dx=8Sin(2x)
4th-------dy/dx=16Cos(2x)
5th-------dy/dx=-32Sin(2x)...now that it reapeated itself its time to figure out the 50th. that's where I am confused. My problem is with the negative signs. how can i catch that patteren... :mad:
 
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If you think about it, it should be pretty clear. Differentiating cosine gives a negative, differentiating sine gives none. And you differentiate a cosine every other time.
So, you start with
-sin. Now, differentiating sin gives no negative, so nothing changes
-cos. Cos changes things, so
+sin
+cos
-sin
-cos
+
+
-
-
+
+
.
.
.

Got it?
 
hmm...yeah i see. Thanks!
 
change to cosine function

I think you should use this way to solve your problem:
1th dx/dy = -2sin2x=+2cos(2x+pi/2), so we obtain
2th dx/dy = +4cos(2x+pi)
3th dx/dy = +8cos(2x+3pi/2)
Continueing, we obtain:
i th dx/dy=+2^icos(2x+npi/2), from this, we can determine 50th dx/dy very fast and easy
 
You could try focusing on the even derivatives:

0th: cos(2x)
2nd: -4cos(2x)
4th: 16cos(2x)
etc.

So you might guess for the (2n)th derivative:
[tex](-1)^n4^ncos(2x)[/tex]

and prove this with induction.
 

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