After star explodes it may turn into BH

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The discussion revolves around the mass relationship between stars and the black holes (BH) that may form after a supernova explosion. Participants explore the conditions under which black holes are formed, the mass of black holes compared to their progenitor stars, and the nature of black holes in general.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that black holes always have a smaller mass than the progenitor stars from which they form.
  • Others propose that black holes can theoretically have any mass, including very small masses, but emphasize that typical black holes formed from stars have masses comparable to those stars.
  • One participant mentions that supermassive black holes, found in the centers of galaxies, can have masses millions or billions of times that of the sun, suggesting a different formation process involving accumulation of mass from galactic material.
  • There is a discussion about the fusion process in stars creating outward pressure that counteracts gravitational collapse until fusion ceases, leading to the formation of various stellar remnants including black holes.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the idea that black holes are not necessarily the most massive objects in space, indicating a misunderstanding of black hole formation and mass.

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Participants generally agree that black holes formed from stars have less mass than their progenitor stars, but there is disagreement regarding the nature of black holes and their mass in different contexts, particularly concerning supermassive black holes.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which black holes form and the definitions of mass in relation to black holes and stars, which may not be fully resolved.

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The stars always have smaller mass than the mass of the black hole that emerges out of their explosion.

How come?

Did the matter of the star accelerated near c when it turned into BH?
 
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dedaNoe said:
The stars always have smaller mass than the mass of the black hole that emerges out of their explosion.

How come?

Did the matter of the star accelerated near c when it turned into BH?
It is the other way around; the black hole always has a smaller mass than the progenitor star. See the link for a good, generic explanation of supernovae and the rate of matter and energy expulsion.

http://www.astronomyinfo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Supernova.htm#Type II
 
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Like labguy said, the mass of the BH is less than the star it formed from. The fusion reaction in the core of a star creates an outward pressure that counteracts the inward gravitational pressure. Once the star can no longer sustain the fusion process, the matter can be compressed down to either a white dwarf, a neutron star, or a black hole depending on how much matter is left.
 
Damn me. I didn't know that. I always taught that BH are the most masive things in space.
 
You're close.

Theoretically, black holes can be any mass (even tiny masses). The trick is getting the mass down to zero volume. This results in the most intense gravitational field (up close at least).

The typical idea of a black hole is one created from the core of a giant star. So, those black holes have masses that are on the order of stars.

However, "supermassive" black holes are being found in the center of many galaxies. These black holes are fed (mass added) by lots of galactic material instead of just the remains of 1 star. Astronomers have found supermassive black holes with masses that are millions or billions the times the mass of our sun. In that sense, they are one of the most massive objects in the universe.
 

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