Matter distorts dark energy to create space-time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between matter, dark energy, and space-time, exploring how matter may influence dark energy and vacuum particles to create curvature in space-time. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and implications of these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that dark energy is space and its interaction with vacuum particles constitutes space-time, suggesting that matter affects dark energy and vacuum particles to curve space-time.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the initial claim, requesting further elaboration on its meaning and consequences for a more productive discussion.
  • A different participant points out that dark energy is theoretical and also asks for clarification, indicating that the brevity of the initial statement makes it difficult to engage with.
  • One participant proposes that increasing the size of a classical vacuum increases the volume of space while maintaining a constant density of dark energy, questioning whether dark energy can be considered as space itself.
  • This participant further speculates that space-time could be a combination of dark energy and vacuum particles, both influenced by baryonic matter, and suggests that this interaction results in the curvature of space-time.
  • Another point raised is the idea that space-time might have mass and energy, which could aid in the quantization of gravity, a challenge in current physics.
  • Lastly, a participant introduces the concept of negative mass, suggesting it could relate to momentum and the behavior of virtual photons in the context of electric charge attraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the nature of dark energy, space-time, and their interactions with matter.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on theoretical assumptions about dark energy and space-time, and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of these ideas for the quantization of gravity.

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Dark energy is space and its interaction with vacuum particles is space-time.
Matter affects dark energy and vacuum particles to curve space-time. Anyone agree?
 
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I am not sure...
The main problem is, your statement is very short.
If you could elaborate a little more on it (what does that mean? what are the consequences?), it might be easier to discuss it.

However, you might want to check this: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=33687&page=1&pp=15

The idea I am describing there might be inspired by considerations similar to yours. (Advertisement! Yeah! :-p )

Keep it up! :wink:
 
Dark energy is only theoratical you know? Anyways explain what you mean. Its hard to start a topic with only a few sentences... :wink:
 
If I increase the size of a classical vacuum, I increase the volume of space and its density stays constant (at zero kg /m^3).Dark energy is increasing the volume of space it occupies and has constant density.So is dark energy really space?
Space-time could be dark energy plus vacuum particles - both of these would be affected by the presence of normal baryonic matter.Perhaps the effect is the curvature of space-time.I am saying that space-time could be a real phenomenon in the sense that it could have mass and energy.
So the curvature of space-time would be a real physical distortion of matter surrounding a star or planet, for example.This would help with the quantization of gravity because physicists know how to quantize mass and energy but they don't know how to quantize something as abstract as space-time.
I interpret negative mass as being mass that carries momentum in the opposite direction to which it is travelling.A virtual photon made from negative energy could account for the attraction of electric charges of opposite sign.
 
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