Could Anti-Gravity Ever Be Possible?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of anti-gravity, exploring whether it could ever be possible. Participants examine theoretical and practical aspects, including references to Newton's laws, the nature of gravity, and the potential existence of negative mass. The conversation includes both speculative ideas and critiques of existing theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the impossibility of anti-gravity, questioning whether Newton's third law might have flaws that could allow for its existence.
  • Another participant argues that while anti-gravity seems unlikely based on current evidence and theoretical arguments, it cannot be definitively ruled out due to the incomplete understanding of the universe.
  • Some participants suggest that devices claiming to utilize anti-gravity may actually be relying on misunderstood forces, such as gyroscopic effects or magnetism, rather than true anti-gravity.
  • There is a discussion about the similarities between gravity and electromagnetism, with a suggestion that gravity's nature is not fully understood, particularly regarding its inability to allow for isolation from its effects.
  • One participant mentions a friend's hypothesis that redefines gravity as "altered inertia," but questions the validity of this approach, noting that it could lead to confusion with other forces.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the need for negative mass to create anti-gravity, highlighting that such matter has not been observed experimentally and remains a theoretical concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the possibility of anti-gravity. While some argue against its feasibility based on current understanding, others maintain that it cannot be completely dismissed due to the lack of a complete theory of the universe.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in current understanding of gravity and the definitions used, as well as the potential for misinterpretation of forces that could lead to claims of anti-gravity. There are unresolved questions regarding the nature of gravity and its relationship with other fundamental forces.

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Hello to everyone.
I feel quite humble to be posting on this physics forum as I am not a physicist but I am in awe of such great minds. However, I do have a general interest in physics as I am an engineer. Unlike my father is an electronics design engineer for whom is the reason for my posting this.

I need some proffesional insight into why Anti-Gravity is impossible as my father seems to have worked out how to overcome gravity using one way inertia. Is it Isaac Newtons third law that prevents this? I have been reading and researching a lot on the internet and it seems that the third law may have some flaw. Please help as I am confused.
 
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No one can really honestly say that anti-gravity isn't possible; we don't have a complete theory of the universe yet. On the other hand, there is a preponderance of evidence -- every experiment ever conducted -- as well as quite a number of theoretical arguments against anti-gravity. It seems quite likely that anti-gravity does not exist, but it would not be scientifically valid to assert that it must not exist.

It is possible that a sort of "negative mass" exists, and such a negative mass would exhibit repulsive, rather than attractive, gravitation. While you can make all kinds of wild conclusions from theory, it happens that no trace of any such stuff has ever been detected.

As it happens, I must say that your father is probably just quite mistaken. There is no way to defeat gravity without creating a sort of matter that doesn't seem to exist in this universe. There's certainly no way to find a flaw in Newton's laws that might permit anti-gravity. Newton's third law is very commonly misapplied because it's easy to accidentally forget to include a force where there should be one. If you start including rotation or other complications, most people with little experience will begin making mistakes. In fact, I'd venture that fully 75% of anti-gravity kook theories on the 'net involve a simple misapplication of basic mechanics.

If your father can build a device that demonstrates anti-gravity, have him do so -- he'll be the richest and most well-known man on the planet. If he cannot, there's no choice but to chalk up whatever mechanism he "worked out" as a mistake.

- Warren
 
My take on anti-gravity is that the devices said to operate on it are operating on some mis-interpreted other force like the forces due to the gyroscopic effect or magnetism. Sure, you can levitate an object with magnets that are working oposite the force of gravity, but that's not anti-gravity.
 
That's it. We don't understand yet how gravity works. We can't explain why you can't hide from gravity as you can be isolated from an electromagnetic field.

The fact is that gravity and electromagnetism are very similar. Field theory works well with it, but we can't make an object with mass to repel another mass.
 
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My take on anti-gravity is that the devices said to operate on it are operating on some mis-interpreted other force like the forces due to the gyroscopic effect or magnetism. Sure, you can levitate an object with magnets that are working oposite the force of gravity, but that's not anti-gravity.

This is an excellent point, russ. It's easy to see how such mistakes could occur given the common definition of gravity: "The force of attraction between two objects". Electromagnetism is a "force of attraction between two objects" too, as is the strong nuclear force. So, working under that definition, any mechanism that creates repulsion instead of attraction could be considered an "anti-gravity device".

I have a friend who's working on anti-gravity, and he's re-defined gravity (in his hypothesis) as simply "altered inertia"...but that doesn't really help much, IMHO. After all, electromagnetism would (once again) fall into that same definition.

I think it's best to stick with Relativity's definition of gravity as (basically) a bending of spacetime by the presence of positive mass, and thus (as chroot said) we would need an object with "negative mass" (which is a theoretical mess, and has never been found in experiment) to create "anti-gravity".
 

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