Questioning EM Waves, Synchrotron Emission & Blackbody Radiation

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The discussion revolves around electromagnetic (EM) waves, synchrotron emission, and blackbody radiation. Participants explore the nature of EM waves generated by accelerating charges, the energy source for synchrotron radiation, and the origins of radiation from blackbodies, including the behavior of non-ideal blackbody-like objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assertion that EM waves are caused solely by accelerating charges, suggesting that only sinusoidal motion seems intuitive, while another clarifies that any acceleration can be decomposed into sinusoids.
  • There is a discussion on synchrotron radiation, where one participant notes that the magnetic field does not do work on the charge, raising the question of where the energy for radiation originates, while another participant mentions the relativistic nature of the charge's motion complicates the separation of electric and magnetic fields.
  • Participants discuss the concept of blackbody radiation, with one noting that blackbodies are idealized and questioning how non-cavity objects can exhibit similar radiation distributions. Another participant elaborates on how high temperatures in various objects can lead to behavior resembling that of blackbodies, suggesting that the spacing of particles and their interactions play a role in this phenomenon.
  • One participant proposes that the statistical nature of temperature influences the frequency at which energy is released, linking it to thermal quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind EM wave generation, synchrotron radiation, and the nature of blackbody radiation. There is no consensus on these topics, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of blackbodies and the conditions under which radiation occurs. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of particles at high temperatures and the statistical nature of emitted frequencies, which may not be universally accepted.

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I'm reading an astronomy textbook, and I'm not sure about some things. The textbook says the EM waves are caused by accelerating charges. I don't understand how this is. I'm not sure, but my memory and intuition tells me that only charges moving in a sinuosidal (can never spell it) manner.

Also regarding synchrotron emission, since the magnetic field does no work on the charge and the KE of the particle does not decrease, where does the energy in the radiation come from?

And one more question. From what exactly does the radiation from a blackbody originate?

Thanks.
 
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Any acceleration can be decomposed into sinusoids, if that helps you swallow it. However, fundamentally, sinusoidal behavior is not a requirement for EMR.

One of the features that characterizes synchrotron radiation is that the motion of the charge is relativistic. In such a consideration, the electric and magnetic fields do not conveniently separate. You could speak of certain components of the electromagnetic field tensor as electric components and magnetic components, however, there are really just different components of the same field, and they can be rotated. What happens in the rest frame of the charge? Does the magnetic field accelerated the charge from rest, thereby doing work? No. In the rest frame, the components that were characteristically magnetic actually rotate into components that are characteristically electric. AFAIK, there is a decrease in KE, as well as gravitational PE.

Firstly, realize that black-bodies are not believed to literally exist (except possibly for some exotic forms of matter). The model of the black body is derived from a resonant cavity. Modes of raditation bounce back and forth within the cavity. The temperature of the wall of the cavity determines the probability that it will be able to absorbe or reflect a photon of a certain frequency mode back into the cavity, thus eliminating or preserving that frequency in the resononace. These two basic mechanisms together produce the familiar black-body spectral curve.
 
Thanks for the help turin.

But as far as black body radiation goes, from what I understand, a lot of things, although not perfect blackbodies, are pretty close in behaviour. Given that these objects are not cavities, how does one explain the radiation distribution for these?
 
Moose352 said:
But as far as black body radiation goes, from what I understand, a lot of things, although not perfect blackbodies, are pretty close in behaviour. Given that these objects are not cavities, how does one explain the radiation distribution for these?
The spectra of many of the very hot objects seen out in space are very close to what we would expect to see in a black body. It's not even limited to astronomical bodies; the spectrum emitted by a red-hot stove-top will also closely approximate the spectrum of a black-body.

The way I understand it is that the high temperatures excite modes of small enough wavelength that the inter-particular spacings (and even the particles themselves) act like little cavities. The wavelength is so small that the consituents themselves actually absorb the radiation and hold onto it long enough to obscure its identity. Density also plays a roll in this mechanism of black-body impersonation. If the particles that compose the body are packed closely enough together, then they can release their acquired energy to adjacent particles in different amounts than the strict energy levels of there electrons (whereas in a sparse instersellar gas, for instance, you see sharp lines because the atoms in the gas are operating independently, and thus the emission is due to electron orbital transitions.)

When the body releases the energy, it does so according to the statistics. That is, the frequency at which it releases the energy has a temperature dependence. At a particular temperature, there is a frequency at which a photon is most likely to be emitted because it corresponds roughly to the thermal quantum kBT. Of course, the temperature is statistical, so the radiated frequency is statistical.

This may not be entirely accurate, but it is how I sleep at night.
 
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