What causes luminescence in sandblasted coated materials?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of luminescence observed in sandblasted coated materials, specifically focusing on the mechanisms behind this effect when the coatings are subjected to sandblasting. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental observations, and potential explanations related to materials science and physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes observing visible light emission from coated materials during sandblasting, suggesting a puzzling luminescence effect that ceases when the underlying metal is exposed.
  • Another participant proposes that the luminescence could be related to the piezoelectric properties of silica, suggesting that the impact of sand may generate electrical effects.
  • A different viewpoint mentions the possibility of electrostatic fields generated by sandstorms or dust devils, hinting at a connection to coronal discharge phenomena, although this remains speculative.
  • One participant shares an anecdote from their experience in a fiberglass factory, theorizing that the kinetic energy from the sandblasting impacts may generate heat sufficient to produce visible light, while bare metal does not retain enough energy to glow.
  • Suggestions for experimentation are made, including varying the impact energy to observe changes in the color of emitted light, indicating a potential avenue for further investigation.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the cause of luminescence, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Various hypotheses are presented, each with its own assumptions and uncertainties.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific material properties, the need for controlled experimental conditions to validate claims, and the unresolved nature of the underlying mechanisms contributing to the observed luminescence.

Ash
I have a small vacumm chamber configured for the sputter deposition of silicon in an oxygen/nitrogen/argon plasma. The resultant thin film compounds are used as transparent dielectric layers for optical filters and comprise SiN(x), SiO(x)or SiO(x)N(y).

When I clean the plant by sandblasting the coated areas, the coated material glows with visible light. This only happens when the coated deposit is blasted by the sand and stops when the coated material is balsted away to reveal the aluminium or stainless steel underlying structure (tooling, chamber wall etc).

What causes this?

Some finely divided metals burn in air. You get similar effects when blast cleaning titanium coated chamber furniture, but the effect there is due to elemental metal burning as it's blasted away into a finely divided powder. This effect is more like a real luminescence. Pressures of having to make a living prevent me from doing anything other than be puzzled at the moment. Anyone any ideas?
 
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Sand is of course Silica

which if in the form of quartz crystals is a piezoelectric, so it might involve the piezoelectric effect.

You might try other insulating materials, expecially on a conducting substrate. Also Zinc Sulfide.
 
I have heard that dust devils or sand storms can create strong electrostatic fields through the piezoelectricity of sand (no one really understands it though), and maybe this can create some kind of coronal discharge, but this is beyond me. How bright is the light?
 
Probably just the kenetic energy of the impact. When I worked in a Fyberglass afctory for a while, I was once given the particularly nasty job of cleaning off an old iron water tank. The tank was coated with Gelcoat, an epoxy resin used in the manufacture of fyberglass. I was instructed to hold the sandblaster at such a distance from the tank that the impact of the abrasive sand caused the material to glow. When I reached bare metal, the glow stopped.

It was my thinking at the time that the impact must cause heat (from almost any distance). Enough impact energy, and that EM radiation moves up into the visible frequencies. But the bare metal radiates the heat much more effeciently, and does not build up enough energy to start glowing.

Suggestion for experimentation:
If you're truly curious, you might try altering the impact energy slightly, either by a change in the blaster's air pressure or it's distance from target, and see if you get red or orange light from lower energies and blue light from higher energies.
 

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