UN votes on Israel Wall

**Shahil** · Jul21-04, 04:38 AM

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...560739,00.html

The UN General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution demanding that Israel comply with a world court decision and tear down the barrier it is building to seal off the West Bank. But a defiant Israel vowed to continue construction.

Tuesday's vote was 150 in favour, 6 opposed including the United States, and 10 abstentions.

What are your views on the wall?

My view: It's been nicknamed the "Apartheid Wall" and it dwarfs the Berlin Wall. It's just a massive symbol of oppression which should not exist in todays's society. Why they were allowed to build it is beyond me and I personally think it should go. Also, as I asked earlier, WHY did the US vote in favour of it staying up??????????

**balkan** · Jul21-04, 05:00 AM

well, part of the wall was built inside palestinian territory... furthermore, it made it impossible for the already compromized regular palestinians to get to school and work on the other side... i'm personally beginning to believe that israel wants to create terrorism, so that they have an excuse for getting rid of the palestinians so israel can be spread across the entire area...
nuff said...

**drag** · Jul21-04, 06:00 AM

This barrier is just a temporary border line between
Israel and the Palestinian territories, a natural
continuation of a state border. Something like
this should have been built a long time ago but
internal politics prevented it. This border, even though
partly built for now and progressing slowly, has already
prevented the death of 200-300 Israeli citizens in
terrorist attacks for the past year or so, compared
to statistics of an earlier year. It also saved the lives
of some innocent Palestinians who could've suffered
due to higher Israeli anti-terrorist activities.

The whole argument is not about its existence but rather
about its location. It is not located on the 1967 lines.
(The difference is not serious - according to the recent plans.)
However, it would be illogical for Israel to errect a border
there. Since the Palestinian leadership currently has
no ability of proper government, chaos reigns in the Palestinian
territories and terrorist organizations dictate their own rule,
Israel has no one to nagotiate with for anything, and all it
can do is await better times while it rightfully protects itself.

**drag** · Jul21-04, 06:07 AM

btw, these references to Appertheid or Berlin or
completely out of place. Israel and the PA have different
defined territories and different people. There are
no simularities here whatsoever.

The US vote is abvious, right and brave. The US,
unlike so many other countries cares about peace
in its borders and in the world and the lives of
people, a peace which is currently threathened by
terrorism. And is not afraid of the Muslim dictatorships
and terrorist warlords, who strangely enough, are
considerd fully ligitimate in their pretty UN seats.

**Hurkyl** · Jul21-04, 07:22 AM

Why doesn't anyone compare it to the Great Wall of China?

**drag** · Jul21-04, 07:33 AM

Quite right.
But, we don't want to insult the Mongols.

**Adam** · Jul21-04, 11:22 AM

Israel is doing today what Germany did in the approach to WW2.

**russ_watters** · Jul21-04, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Adam

Israel is doing today what Germany did in the approach to WW2.

Who was constantly attacking Germany "in the approach to WW2?"

**Hurkyl** · Jul21-04, 07:24 PM

Wasn't France the one fortifying prior to WWII?

**GENIERE** · Jul21-04, 08:24 PM

As Israel has long been the dominant military force in the mid-east one wonders why they did not exercise their ability to dominate all their neighbors. That they haven’t is a remarkable testament to the noble qualities of the Israel citizen. The despotic leaders of the surrounding countries and the Palestinians should be very happy the Israelis merely built a wall.

In Adam speak; the Germans constructed La Ligne Maginot to fend off the French.

**Robert Zaleski** · Jul21-04, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Adam

Israel is doing today what Germany did in the approach to WW2.

Lebensraum und Grossraumwirtschaft, ja Herr Adam?

Am I the only one who caught Ariel Shiron's spellbinding speech on Temple Mount justifying territorial expansion to a mesmerized Israeli horde.

**russ_watters** · Jul21-04, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by GENIERE

As Israel has long been the dominant military force in the mid-east one wonders why they did not exercise their ability to dominate all their neighbors. That they haven’t is a remarkable testament to the noble qualities of the Israel citizen. The despotic leaders of the surrounding countries and the Palestinians should be very happy the Israelis merely built a wall.

Yes, I think they have shown remarkable restraint for the past 35 years. I think part of the reason they have is we have them on a leash. And the corollary to that is that if we stop giving them aid, the leash comes off...

**drag** · Jul22-04, 02:47 AM

Really, Russ ?
How about - they just wan'na live in peace and just
be left the FXXX alone by all those crazy nutcases.

**russ_watters** · Jul23-04, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by drag

Really, Russ ?
How about - they just wan'na live in peace and just
be left the FXXX alone by all those crazy nutcases.

Yeah, wink....

...but if Canadians were blowing up busses and pizza parlors full of civilians on a weekly basis, we wouldn't wait 35 years to overrun them.

**Adam** · Jul23-04, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by russ_watters

Who was constantly attacking Germany "in the approach to WW2?"

You think there were no Jewish groups, communists, liberals, homsexuals, gypsies, blacks, and others who were annoyed with what Hitler was doing?

**Adam** · Jul23-04, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by GENIERE

In Adam speak; the Germans constructed La Ligne Maginot to fend off the French.

Germany:
- Forced relocations into controllable areas.
- Killing any leaders of the subject group.
- Basically oppressing the hell out of them.
- Teaching their own kids that Israelis are all thieving, murdering, sub-human scum.

Israel:
- Forced relocations into controllable areas.
- Killing any leaders of the subject group.
- Basically oppressing the hell out of them.
- Teaching their own kids that Palestinians are all thieving, murdering, sub-human scum.