Question: Could symmetry and reaction dictate our existence?

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The discussion explores the relationship between symmetry, perception, and existence, questioning whether symmetry and reaction dictate our existence. Participants delve into concepts from physics and geometry, examining how these ideas relate to perception and reality. The conversation includes theoretical and philosophical perspectives, with references to various scientific principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that symmetry and reaction are fundamental to understanding existence, suggesting that what we perceive is influenced by pre-existing formats or shapes.
  • Others question whether existence is tied to perception, debating if something exists independently of our ability to perceive it, such as a rock.
  • A participant suggests that the act of seeing or imagining may precede the physical existence of objects, raising the idea of a reciprocal relationship between perception and existence.
  • There are references to geometric concepts, such as planes and triangles, and how they relate to physical laws like gravity and Newton's laws of motion.
  • Some participants express confusion about the terminology used, asking for simplifications or alternative explanations to make the concepts more accessible.
  • A later reply critiques the use of complex terminology, implying that some participants may not fully understand the references to established theories in physics.

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Participants exhibit a range of viewpoints, with no clear consensus on the relationship between symmetry, perception, and existence. Some agree on the importance of these concepts, while others challenge or seek clarification on the ideas presented.

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The discussion includes complex ideas that depend on various definitions and interpretations of symmetry, perception, and existence. Participants express uncertainty about the implications of their arguments and the terminology used, indicating a need for clearer communication.

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1.) SYMMETRY (think a arm or leg extention) + REACTION (think a cupboard) = proportion

2.) Question: Water (action) + a Cup's Rim (reaction) = what Proportion ?
Answer: A plural format.

3.) Symmetry is a case of action and reaction = proportion.

4.) Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.
Format: (1 : the shape, size, and general makeup (as of something printed)).

5.) A format/shape/circle = radius action. One radius act does not = a circle format, you

need many radius act(ion).

6.) A circle pre-exists a radius action made by human eyes.

7.) Therefore. The format/shape/circle/symmetry existed for us to create via radius action

made by our eyes ! What we see already existed, preformatted and symmetric, to influence

thought and so in fact thinks I theorize. And therefore already is ! A creature that thinks

before us, exists before us, and lives before us, letting us exist in a 1/2 point symmetric

type form.
 
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I'm with the stupid, could you simplify?
 
oh i get it.

"7.) Therefore. The format/shape/circle/symmetry existed for us to create via radius action

made by our eyes ! What we see already existed, preformatted and symmetric, to influence

thought and so in fact thinks I theorize."

but as far as i see it it could be vice versa = imagination?
 
Prior to sensation we did not exist?
Or is it that we did but we could not perceive that we did.
In our case, is existence perception (or vice versa)?

A rock exists as far as we are concerned but if we were not here it would still exist, but not as far as we were concerned. Or as far as it was concerned. So it would only not exist as far as we were concerned but would still exist in terms of a physical object in its own right (I'm not suggesting that rocks have rights).

Forest, trees, falling...
 
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of course rocks have no rights, because rocks do not set values, geeze...
 
pocebokli said:
of course rocks have no rights, because rocks do not set values, geeze...

That's probably just as well.
 
yesicanread,
noyoucan'twrite

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Now what was the question?
 
  • #10
Now what was the question?

JD said:
Now what was the question?

Why does a question need to be there, if I give a fact. I probably should have added "Reason" to the end of every poing made.

I cannot write. So ?
 
  • #11
yesicanread said:
7.) Therefore. The format/shape/circle/symmetry existed for us to create via radius action made by our eyes ! What we see already existed, preformatted and symmetric, to influence thought and so in fact thinks I theorize. And therefore already is ! A creature that thinks before us, exists before us, and lives before us, letting us exist in a 1/2 point symmetric type form.

So you think we draw existence geometrically with our eyes?
 
  • #12
What do I mean ?

I'll reference the word definition: Format. A shape, size and general makeup.

1. ) Gravity + all physics I know of, Einstein/Newton/Plank, in fact use the plane. A plane is defined by three planar points shaped like a triangle.

2.) A plane when viewed from above is a tripod. Classic definition for plane(three planar points shaped as a triangle) + altitude or height ~ tripod.

3.) A plane when viewed from below, is the basis for Einstein gravity I remember.

4.) A plane when viewed from above and below ~ Cirumference and Plane.

5.) A altitude from the vertex of the height and depth on the plane could be seen as a string through classic Newton/Einstein/Plank physics to include Kaku string theory.

6.) Point theory has three points. The initial point is AB, the center could be AA or BB, and the third point is AB. The triangle made by the three points included in the center and initiator is congruent to the triangle made by the last point and center. Both triangles = the sum of 360 degrees. A circumference or circle. It's known that a circle is a sphere.

7.) Initiator = initiator, and initiator converts back to initiator, passing through AA or BB.

8.) The results of symmetry are seen before the action taken.

Throw a rock twice. This is equivalent to a circle, two arcs. Well when you began that action, the result of the two arcs was equal to when you first tossed the first rock.

Also. Roll your eyes. This is equivalent to a circle. The result of a full circle was made when you first began to roll your eyes.

In other words. It seems as though we are formatted.




:shy:
 
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could YOU PLEASE put your explanation in another format? for those who are not familiar with ka-ka string theory and einstein-planck and other physical/mathematical terminology.

thank you.
 
  • #14
He's not familiar with them either. He just decorates his screeds with the names.
 
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pocebokli said:
could YOU PLEASE put your explanation in another format? for those who are not familiar with ka-ka string theory and einstein-planck and other physical/mathematical terminology.

thank you.

I took the shortest route I know. If I change my format, if would be harder than it is now.

Besides. I would have to understand the intricacies to a teachers level to do what you ask, and I have deliberately stayed liberal from that knowledge because I chose to then and now.

If you need another proof in the given format, just describe the problem in the proofs above and I will try to redescribe my diatribe, in given format.
 
  • #16
all you have managed to do in this thread, is to hurt the feelings of my pet rock...

i will now hunt down and slaugther the lot of you... insensitive bastards...
 
  • #17
bring it on.
 
  • #18
I just pasted this from my theory development.

Quote:
1.) I began looking at the plane as if the vertex had two points on the plane.
I considered that if I used simplexes the conversion from three points to two could be made.
That way I use a plane and initiate a plane using two or three points.

Reason: Which is possible since three points define a plane and the scenario would allow be use of geometry or conversion.

If the simplexes are joined be a altitude between vertexes and the points on the plane equal each other. It may in fact resemble a sphere. Also If I convert back to using just two points on the plane. The degrees used in both triangles equal 360 degree. A circular type shape, a circumference.

Since I don't know which two points I use. The 360 degrees may use different points on the plane. So all sides of the simplex may be seen as circular. And thus the entire simplex has circular sides that meet equal points on the plane. A sphere.

So the simplex or two point vertex has a circular/spherical equivilenence, and may be call AB.

2.) Alright. I'll let the Equivalence Principle go. So I'll use this. What if when two points on the plane are used, point symmetry was made. Then, the vertex started the action. Newton's equal and opposite reaction says this action has a equal and opposite reaction. As well as the reaction caused by reaching the plane. Acceptable with black hoples when they bust. Their pull is a push. Newton.

If altitude has a action. It can't be infinite height. But the variation on the plane is inmeasureable one would suppose. Edit:(This is disorder I think.)

3.) Because action reconverts to action. The reaction is equal and opposite the action. And so when we create a circular/spherical/planar/geometric movement. That action has been converted back to action/reaction. and passed through reaction to convert to reaction.

And so my description is complete intersection/geometry. Points/vertexes, Planes, and lines/altitudes from vertexes. And a description of Newton, however general, Which guided Einstein, and guides today's physicists.

Get that? I haven't broken any rules I don't think.

I've tried to be basic. It helps these type of concept/perception become understood in basic general knowledge. That is my goal, as I don't like fancy dancy theories.
End quote.

Does thought exist in our reaction ? Feeling. Live. Beauty. Health ?

These are ideas that make a concept of God real, and our being created seem real.

Think on this.
 
  • #19
pocebokli said:
bring it on.

rigth... you shouldn't have said that, cause i know where your address lives! :mad:
 
  • #20
you wouldn't try to hurt my address, would you? NO! just not my address!
 

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