Basics of SHM (undamped, under-driven)

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The discussion revolves around the characteristics of undamped, under-driven harmonic motion, specifically addressing the relationship between displacement maxima and the velocity plot. Participants explore the implications of graphical representations and the definitions used in the context of harmonic motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the textbook's assertion that maxima do not occur at the points where the displacement curve contacts the exponential envelope, suggesting that the graph implies otherwise.
  • Another participant clarifies that the maxima correspond to points where the velocity (dx(t)/dt) is zero, supporting this with the observation that velocity equals zero at the maxima.
  • A participant raises a question about whether the displacement maxima coincide with specific time intervals (t=0, T, 2T, etc.), where T is defined as 2*pi/omega.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the exponential envelope, with one participant asserting that no point on the exponential curve has a tangent line with zero slope, which is relevant to understanding the maxima.
  • Another participant suggests that the terms "undriven, underdamped" may have been misused in the original post, indicating a potential confusion in terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between displacement maxima and the velocity plot, with some supporting the textbook's claims while others challenge them. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the graphical representation and terminology.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the definitions of "undamped" and "undriven," as well as the implications of the exponential envelope on the displacement curve. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in terminology and the graphical interpretation of harmonic motion.

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My textbook says the an object undergoing undamped, under-driven
harmonic motion (http://romano.physics.wisc.edu/lab/manual/img279.gif)
does NOT have its maxima at the points where the displacement
curve makes contact with the exponential envelope curve.

How can this be the case?? Doesn't the graph clearly imply that
the maxima are indeed the peaks of the decaying cosine curve (that
do make contact with the exponential wrapper)??

The text goes on to say that the maxima actually correspond not
to the x(t) vs. t plot -- but to the dx(t)/dt (the velocity) plot,
specifically where dx(t)/dt = 0. I can partially understand this since
at the maxima -- velocity does equal 0!


It then states that the displacement ratios between successive
maxima are constant.

I can see the constancy of the maxima ratios, but not the
basis on dx(t)/dt over the visual interpretation -- let alone
the assertion that successive maxima ratios are constant.


Comments? Thanks!
 
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That exponential curve is an envelope for that graph if the tangents of the curve and the graph agree at all contact points. No point on the exponential curve has a tangent line with zero slope.
 
Is the displacement maxima (which occurs at the time
where v(t) = dx(t)/dt = 0) the same point as the displacement
at t=0, T, 2T, etc., where T = 2*pi/omega (the under-damped
version of omega)?

robphy said:
That exponential curve is an envelope for that graph if the tangents of the curve and the graph agree at all contact points. No point on the exponential curve has a tangent line with zero slope.
 
graph

Just try drawing an exponentially damped sine wave and then the smooth exponential -- you will see that's correct.
ymax is dy/dt =0 for the sine , byt dy/dt is never =0 for the exponential.
 
My textbook says the an object undergoing undamped, under-driven

Sorry to be nit picky but this is bugging me. Could you possibly have meant to say.

Undriven, under damped?

That is what your graph looks like.
 
Apparently, per rigorous research, the correct form is "undriven, underdamped."

Integral said:
Sorry to be nit picky but this is bugging me. Could you possibly have meant to say.

Undriven, under damped?

That is what your graph looks like.
 

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