Chaos theory and quantum mechanics

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The discussion explores the relationship between chaos theory and quantum mechanics, questioning whether chaos theory can explain quantum randomness and its origins in relation to quantum mechanics. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants inquire about the correlation between chaos theory and quantum mechanics, specifically whether chaos theory can explain quantum randomness or if it developed from quantum mechanics.
  • One participant asserts that chaos theory did not originate in quantum mechanics and cannot explain quantum behavior, emphasizing that chaotic behavior arises from systems with critical dependence on initial conditions.
  • Another participant notes that while extensive efforts have been made to connect chaos theory with quantum randomness, the two fields are not directly related, with most quantum systems not exhibiting chaotic evolution.
  • A participant mentions that chaos theory evolved from observations of non-linear iterated functions, highlighting its mathematical roots.
  • Another post introduces a specific interest in the stochastic Schrödinger equation, requesting references to works that consider a stochastic potential in quantum mechanics.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between chaos theory and quantum mechanics, with no consensus reached on whether chaos theory can adequately explain quantum randomness.

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The discussion includes unresolved questions about the applicability of chaos theory to quantum systems and the specific conditions under which chaotic behavior is defined. There are also references to mathematical constructs that may not be fully explored or agreed upon.

liquidgrey01
Is there any correlation between these two fields? Has chaos theory been used as an explanation for quantum randomness? Did chaos theory develop out of quantum mechanics?
 
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Originally posted by liquidgrey01
Is there any correlation between these two fields? Has chaos theory been used as an explanation for quantum randomness? Did chaos theory develop out of quantum mechanics?

Although quantized chaotic systems have been studied, chaos theory did not originate in and cannot expain quantum behaviour.

Chaotic behaviour originates in systems that interact with themselves in a way that results in a critical dependence of their evolution on initial conditions.

For example, a baseball thrown in slightly different ways will trace slightly different trajectories so this system is not chaotic.

On the other hand, since the evolutionary paths of weather systems from slightly different initial conditions very quickly diverge from each other, weather systems are chaotic. In fact, it's their chaotic nature that makes their behaviour so difficult to predict beyond a day or two ahead.
 
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Extensive and unsuccessful efforts

have been made to use chaos theory to explain quantum randomness, and there is a large literature on the subject, but the two are not directly related. Some quantum systems (wavefunctions) evolve in a chaotic way, most don't.

Chaos theory evolved out of a mathematician's observations of how non-linear iterated functions behaved on his pocket calculator.
 
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Check out xxx.lanl.org and search with the keywords quantum billiards or random matrix theory...
 
Stochastic Shrodinger equation

Dear frands!
Prompt please references to works in which it was considered the Schrödinger equation with stochastic (random) Gaussian delta-correlated potential which
time-dependent and spaces-dependent and with zero average (gaussian delta-correlated noise). I am interesting what average wave function is equal.

U - potential.
<> - simbol of average.

P(F) - density of probability of existence of size F.

Delta-correlated potential which
time-dependent and spaces-dependent:
<U(x,t)U(x`,t`)>=A*delta(x-x`) *delta(t-t`)
delta - delta-function of Dirack.
A - const.

Zero average:
<U(x,t)>=0

Gaussian potential (existence of probability is distributed on Gauss law):
P(U)=C*exp(U^2/delU^2)

C - normalizing constant.
delU - root-mean-square fluctuation of U.
 

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