Effect of thickness on heat transfer/insulation

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The discussion revolves around the effect of insulation thickness on heat transfer, specifically in the context of cooling curves. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, mathematical models, and practical implications related to heat conduction and insulation materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is conducting an experiment on how insulation thickness affects cooling curves and seeks theoretical information for comparison.
  • Another participant provides a formula for heat conduction, suggesting that the rate of heat transfer is inversely proportional to the thickness of the material.
  • A question is raised about the relationship between insulation thickness and the cooling model, specifically whether the cooling constant is directly proportional to thickness when other variables are constant.
  • Concerns are expressed about maintaining constant heat transfer rate and temperature difference in practical scenarios, such as with air conditioning.
  • A clarification is made regarding the intention to keep thermal conductivity and area constant while varying thickness.
  • A participant inquires about modifying the heat transfer equation for a composite barrier made of two different materials.
  • Another participant provides a modified equation for heat transfer through two slabs of different materials.
  • There is a request for resources on dual layer conduction, with a reference to a specific textbook provided.
  • A participant discusses the complexity of composite slabs and suggests an analogy between thermal resistance and electrical circuits.
  • One participant expresses a desire to find a mathematical relationship between two different formulas related to temperature difference and heat transfer rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of insulation thickness and the complexities of modeling heat transfer with composite materials. There is no consensus on the relationship between the different formulas presented or the best approach to modeling the situation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the challenges in maintaining constant conditions during experiments and the potential confusion arising from composite materials in heat transfer calculations.

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Hi,

I'm currently doing an experiment to investigate the effect that changing the thickness of insulation has on cooling curves. However, I do need some theory to compare the results to. Does anyone know anywhere that I could find such information, or actually know themselves what effect changing the thickness should have?

Thanks.
 
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Perhaps this will get you started. In general, the rate of heat transfer by conduction is inversely proportional to the thickness of the material:
[tex]\frac{\Delta Q}{\Delta t} = \frac{k A \Delta T}{d}[/tex]
where ΔQ/Δt is the rate of heat flow, ΔT is the temperature difference, k is the thermal conductivity of the material, A is the area, and d is the thickness.

(Do a web search on heat conduction to find plenty more information.)
 
Thanks.

Does this mean that if all variables are kept constant except for the thickness of the insulation, and the temperature inside the insulated area is modeled by [tex]T_{n}=T_{O}\times{e}^-^k^n[/tex] (The insulated area is heated up, and then the air is allowed to cool) that k will by directly proportional to the thickness?
 
How would you simoustaneously maintain both ΔQ/Δt and ΔT constant?
 
Gonzolo said:
How would you simoustaneously maintain both ΔQ/Δt and ΔT constant?
In the summer, with air conditioning.

edit: To make that sound a little less snide, let me explain. Obviously, if you don't have air conditioning, the air in your house will slowly increase its temperature to match the outside temperature: ΔT decrease to zero and ΔQ/Δt will follow. On the most basic level, the purpose of an air conditioner is to maintain a ΔT between inside and outside. Constant ΔT and ΔQ/Δt requires an another term: another ΔQ/Δt. Energy enters your house through the wall and leaves your house through the air conditioner.
 
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Sorry, I think that what I said was not exactly what I meant. By keeping 'all other variables' constant, I meant that I would keep k and A constant, while varying d.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
Another question regarding the modelling of this situation:

If two different materials were used, (ie. 1 layer of material A, and 1 layer of material B, pressed together) as the barrier, how would the equation [tex]\frac{\Delta Q}{\Delta t} = \frac{k A \Delta T}{d}[/tex] need to be modified to compensate for that?
 
composite layers

For two slabs of material:
[tex]\frac{\Delta Q}{\Delta t} = \frac{A \Delta T}{d_A/k_A + d_B/k_B}[/tex]
 
Thanks, that helps a lot. Is there an internet site or book that contains information on dual layer conduction? I've been looking but I haven't been able to find one.
 
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Canuck156 said:
Thanks, that helps a lot. Is there an internet site or book that contains information on dual layer conduction? I've been looking but I haven't been able to find one.

Reference the Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer by Incropera and Dewitt.
 
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It gets confusing sometimes...When composite slabs are involved.If 2 or 3 slabs are involved then it won't be a problem.But I had encountered some really tough problems on this.So I think the best thing to do is to find somekid of anology btw Electric circuts and the Slab-Systems...

So by putting R=d/kA,where R is Thermal resistance.
Then everything is like that of Eletric circuits...Ohms law holds good for thermal conduction also.
 
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Ok, I understand how to do that now, but I basically now have two formulas. From my experimentation I have:
[tex]T_{t}=T_{Difference}\times{e}^-^k^t[/tex], where [tex]TT_{Difference}[/tex] is the initial difference in temperature, and [tex]T_{t}[/tex] is the difference after t seconds.
and from the theory I have:
[tex]\frac{\Delta Q}{\Delta t} = \frac{A \Delta T}{d_A/k_A + d_B/k_B}[/tex]

I am trying to find a mathematical relationship between the value of k in formula one, and the value of DQ/Dt in the second equation. Is it possible to do this using something like:
dQ/dt=dQ/dT*DT/dt, or am i on the wrong track?

Thanks.
 

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