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| Jul27-04, 07:52 AM | #1 |
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<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no, scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\n\n\n"Urs Schreiber" <Urs.Schreiber@uni-essen.de> wrote in message news:<40fc3d89\\$1@news.sentex.net>...\n\n>\n> Today Prof. Gerard t\'Hooft gave a talk at University Duisburg-Essen on Black\n> Holes in Elementary Particle Physics. Maybe due to the media hype about\n> Hawking\'s announcement of his new idea about the black hole information\n> \'paradox\', t\'Hooft decided to throw his TV set away, and not only his but\n> lots of them, in fact enough that they would form a spherical shell\n> collapsing to a black hole.\n\nMore information about throwing TV sets into black holes can be found in\n\nhttp://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0401027\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>"Urs Schreiber" <Urs.Schreiber@uni-essen.de> wrote in message news:<40fc3d89$1@news.sentex.net>...
> > Today Prof. Gerard t'Hooft gave a talk at University Duisburg-Essen on Black > Holes in Elementary Particle Physics. Maybe due to the media hype about > Hawking's announcement of his new idea about the black hole information > 'paradox', t'Hooft decided to throw his TV set away, and not only his but > lots of them, in fact enough that they would form a spherical shell > collapsing to a black hole. More information about throwing TV sets into black holes can be found in http://www.arxiv.org/abs/http://www..../gr-qc/0401027 |
| Jul30-04, 09:32 AM | #2 |
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<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no, scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\nOn 27 Jul 2004 08:52:18 -0400, thomas_larsson_01@hotmail.com (Thomas\nLarsson) wrote:\n\n>>\n>> Today Prof. Gerard t\'Hooft gave a talk at University Duisburg-Essen on Black\n>> Holes in Elementary Particle Physics. Maybe due to the media hype about\n>> Hawking\'s announcement of his new idea about the black hole information\n>> \'paradox\', t\'Hooft decided to throw his TV set away, and not only his but\n>> lots of them, in fact enough that they would form a spherical shell\n>> collapsing to a black hole.\n>\n>More information about throwing TV sets into black holes can be found in\n>\n>http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0401027\n\nt\'Hooft is apparently unhappy with the probabilistic "axioms" of quantum\nmechanics. How can one sensibly talk about "probability" if a given\nexperiment can be repeated only a finite number of times - he asks.\n\nSo he mentions hidden variable theories and "beables" as possible\nways for a new quantum mechanics.\n\nIn EEQT we do not have these problems. The algorithm of EEQT generates\nthe Universe in "real time". And if "time" is to be avoided, since it\nneeds to be explained itself, then there is a "Schwinger-Fock" auxiliary\n"time\' at hand. It may be related to the parameter of the modular group\n- as suggested by Connes-Rovelli.\n\nIn EEQT the probabilistic interpretation of the ordinary quantum\nmechanics can be derived IF the experiment can be repeated infinitely\nmany time. But EEQT deals with a single system that is aware of its own\nstate (self-observation). It is self-observation (self-measurement a\'la\nWheeler) that generates real "events" and that corresponds to "binamics"\n- exchange of bits of information.\n\nThrowing a TV set into a black hole is an EVENT - according to EEQT.\nAn annihilation operator is applied to the TV set, and TV set is\ntransformed into another object. The norm of the state becomes\nrenormalized. A quantum jump happens. And the information about the\nevent becomes recorded and "known", at least to the readers of spr :-)\n\nReference:\n\nEEQT - A Way Out of the Quantum Trap\n\nhttp://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/papers/petruc/petruc.html\n\nark\n--\n\nArkadiusz Jadczyk\nhttp://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/homepage.htm\n\n--\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>On 27 Jul 2004 08:52:18 [itex]-0400,[/itex] thomas_larsson_01@hotmail.com (Thomas
Larsson) wrote: >> >> Today Prof. Gerard t'Hooft gave a talk at University Duisburg-Essen on Black >> Holes in Elementary Particle Physics. Maybe due to the media hype about >> Hawking's announcement of his new idea about the black hole information >> 'paradox', t'Hooft decided to throw his TV set away, and not only his but >> lots of them, in fact enough that they would form a spherical shell >> collapsing to a black hole. > >More information about throwing TV sets into black holes can be found in > >http://www.arxiv.org/abs/http://www..../gr-qc/0401027 t'Hooft is apparently unhappy with the probabilistic "axioms" of quantum mechanics. How can one sensibly talk about "probability" if a given experiment can be repeated only a finite number of times [itex]- he[/itex] asks. So he mentions hidden variable theories and "beables" as possible ways for a new quantum mechanics. In EEQT we do not have these problems. The algorithm of EEQT generates the Universe in "real time". And if "time" is to be avoided, since it needs to be explained itself, then there is a "Schwinger-Fock" auxiliary "time' at hand. It may be related to the parameter of the modular group - as suggested by Connes-Rovelli. In EEQT the probabilistic interpretation of the ordinary quantum mechanics can be derived IF the experiment can be repeated infinitely many time. But EEQT deals with a single system that is aware of its own state (self-observation). It is self-observation (self-measurement a'la Wheeler) that generates real "events" and that corresponds to "binamics" - exchange of bits of information. Throwing a TV set into a black hole is an EVENT - according to EEQT. An annihilation operator is applied to the TV set, and TV set is transformed into another object. The norm of the state becomes renormalized. A quantum jump happens. And the information about the event becomes recorded and "known", at least to the readers of spr :-) Reference: EEQT - A Way Out of the Quantum Trap http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_fut...uc/petruc.html ark -- Arkadiusz Jadczyk http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/homepage.htm -- |
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