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| Jan17-10, 10:34 AM | #1 |
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X Prize Clean Aviation: $10 million
An MIT collaboration with the X Prize foundation may soon release a proposal for a fastest coast to coast flight using only electric power.
Reporter’s Notebook: How to spur energy storage innovations I am thinking some of the electric ducted fan technology discussed here, and some very high end battery technology is the key, probably primary batteries if they allow it. I'll follow up later. |
| Jan17-10, 10:55 AM | #2 |
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From earlier pondering, I considered a Bombardier CRJ900, modified with ducted fans, at 12 kWh(41k BTUs) per mile based on its gross range data given a full load of fuel. Perhaps that could be cut that in half for a more efficient, slower, jet aircraft appropriate for this contest, or 6 kWh (21k BTUs )per mile? Distance for the contest is ~2500 miles, with two stops allowed, or ~850 miles per leg, 5100 kWh (17.4 million BTU )per leg.
Zinc-air non rechargeable batteries achieve about 0.5 kWh per kg, giving ~11 metric tons of battery per trip leg. However, power density of metal air batteries is low, at least for commercial models. This 11 m ton pack would provide only 1.1 MW. Ducted fan concept: |
| Jan17-10, 04:33 PM | #3 |
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This prize seems to ignore the realities of energy storage issues. Everyone under the sun in the UAV world is trying to get high energy electric systems. I do not see what this prize is supposed to do, it's certainly not going to 'start' people thinking about electric. As for your post above, does a 'superconducting motor replaces turbine' exist outside of the imagination?
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| Jan17-10, 04:38 PM | #4 |
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X Prize Clean Aviation: $10 million
This source shows aviation fuel efficiency topping out at about 1MJ / seat-km in the large jumbos, or 2 seat-miles per kWh. I'm curious as to how that metric would scale down for smaller jet aircraft - fewer seats, more overhead.
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| Jan17-10, 04:46 PM | #5 |
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http://www.masbret.com/asc08/ASC08_T...c_Aircraft.ppt |
| Jan17-10, 04:53 PM | #6 |
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Why would you want a loud, vibrating engine on a UAV?
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| Jan17-10, 04:57 PM | #7 |
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I'm looking at that ppt, and I have to ask: why would you use an electric motor to power a ducted fan, and not just use a more efficient propeller???
Also, where are you going to get adequate energy storage? |
| Jan17-10, 05:02 PM | #8 |
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| Jan17-10, 05:05 PM | #9 |
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| Jan17-10, 06:57 PM | #10 |
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Spurring on innovation is nice. That is what makes the world go round and improve. However, this, like every other electric application, is doing nothing more than shifting the sources of pollution. Most forms of clean electricity production are pretty much fixed. What's going to happen if this electric dream comes true with millions of cars and now aircraft. Crank up the coal plants. We certainly aren't doing much in nuclear and dams are pretty much fixed output. It's short sightedness at its best.
Back on topic....there is no way to make current energy sources viable and thus useful. Like the other X prize, it is nothing more than a stunt. |
| Jan17-10, 06:58 PM | #11 |
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| Jan17-10, 07:50 PM | #12 |
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| Jan17-10, 08:21 PM | #13 |
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Edit: Last, how did I forget: electric ground vehicle transport is 1/3 the cost per mile of petrol based. It's break even amortizing in the cost of the batteries - at today's price of a gas, and that's only going up. |
| Jan17-10, 08:32 PM | #14 |
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| Jan18-10, 06:32 AM | #15 |
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| Jan18-10, 06:36 AM | #16 |
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| Jan18-10, 12:09 PM | #17 |
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