# Calculate the number of moles in a real gas

by larsb
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 P: 3 1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data I would like to know how to calculate how much moles of gas I have in the following in a cylinder with a certain volume and pressure. The gas in the cylinder is a mixture of air, with added oxygen and helium, the mixture is 18% Oxygen, 36,6% Nitrogen, 45% Helium and 0,4% Argon. The cylinder is 24 liters big, the pressure in the cylinder is 200bar. I can calculate the a and b values for the gas mixture. P = 200 bar V = 24 L T = 293,15 K R = 0,083145 L bar K-1 mol -1 a = 0,8746 L2bar mol-2 b = 0,0388 L mol-1 2. Relevant equations PV = nRT ( ideal gas law) P = nRT (V-nb)-1 - n2a V-2 3. The attempt at a solution According to the ideal gas law this should be 196,93 moles, but that is not right, since if I use the Vanderwaals equation I end up at a pressure of 234,6 bar to accomodate 196,93 moles of this gasmixture. Using the Vanderwaals equation I can't calculate the exact number of moles, this is where is end up: 200 = 24,37n (24 - 0,0388n)-1 - 0,00152n2 So please enlighten me, how can I proceed to calculate the value for n?
 PF Gold P: 1,930 First, remember that the Van Der Waals pressure doesn't have to match the ideal pressure: in fact, it won't, unless a is 0. With an a as large as yours, the pressure can actually have quite a bit of variation between ideal and Van Der Waals. For that last equation, have you considered quadratics?
 HW Helper Thanks P: 9,675 You can apply some iteration procedure. Rewrite the Van der Waals equation in the form $$n=\frac{PV}{RT}(1+\frac{n^2a}{PV^2})(1-\frac{nb}{V})$$ Plug in the data, start with n you got for the ideal gas, substitute for n at the right side, and you get a new n. Continue the procedure with the new n... You get a value near 174 mol, if I am not mistaken. ehild
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## Calculate the number of moles in a real gas

 Quote by Char. Limit First, remember that the Van Der Waals pressure doesn't have to match the ideal pressure: in fact, it won't, unless a is 0. With an a as large as yours, the pressure can actually have quite a bit of variation between ideal and Van Der Waals. For that last equation, have you considered quadratics?
Thanks, I know that it doesn't match the actual pressure and the ideal pressure do not have to match...
I know for sure that the pressure in the cylinder is 200 bar, or actually 201 bar, because I am reading the pressure from a gauge.

What do you mean by "considering quadratics"?
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 Quote by ehild You can apply some iteration procedure. Rewrite the Van der Waals equation in the form $$n=\frac{PV}{RT}(1+\frac{n^2a}{PV^2})(1-\frac{nb}{V})$$ Plug in the data, start with n you got for the ideal gas, substitute for n at the right side, and you get a new n. Continue the procedure with the new n... You get a value near 174 mol, if I am not mistaken. ehild
Ok, that indeed helps me a lot! I do not have to be completely spot on, however the closer the better.

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