Position and momentum operators in quantum field theory

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between position and momentum operators in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly how the position operator relates to the position parameters of a quantum field ψ(x). Participants explore the implications of these relationships for understanding particle states and the construction of position operators in relativistic contexts.

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  • Some participants question how the state ψ+(x1)ψ+(x2)|0> can be shown to be a position eigenstate, suggesting that this relationship may be an assumption about interpreting field parameters as spatial positions.
  • There is a claim that the "position eigenstates" constructed in QFT are not orthogonal in the relativistic case, which raises issues about constructing a corresponding position operator.
  • One participant argues that the parameter x in quantum fields does not correspond to the quantum-mechanical position operator or its eigenvalues, referencing literature for further details.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of not being able to construct a position operator that transforms as a 4-vector, suggesting that this does not preclude the existence of a relativistically invariant position operator.
  • Concerns are raised about whether QFT can provide answers to questions about particle probabilities and tunneling rates, indicating a potential limitation of the theory.
  • Some participants express interest in the symmetry of treatment between time and space in quantum theory and its implications for various paradoxes, including the black-hole information paradox.
  • References to external literature and previous discussions are made to support claims and provide additional context.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of position eigenstates in QFT, the necessity of constructing a relativistically invariant position operator, and the implications of these concepts for understanding particle behavior. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between position operators and quantum fields, as well as the implications of relativistic invariance on these constructs. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum field theory, particularly in relation to the foundations of position and momentum operators, as well as their implications for particle physics and theoretical constructs in quantum mechanics.

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In short, the question is, how is the position operator related to the position-parameters of a quantum field ψ(x)?

For instance, consider a quantum-mechanical state of two particles |Ψ>. This can be expanded in terms of the position eigenstates |x1,x2> to give the position representation wavefuntion Ψ(x1,x2). The position eigenstates are eigenstates of two distinct operators X1 and X2. (the identical nature of the particles is found in the symmetry of the wave-function, which in quantum mechanics has to be added ad hoc.)

In quantum field theory, the position eigenstates are derived from the field ψ(x), where |x1,x2> is proportional to ψ+(x1+(x2)|0> where |0> is the vacuum state.

Within this field-theoretic approach, how to show that the state ψ+(x1+(x2)|0> is a actually a position eigenstate, that is, that

X1ψ+(x1+(x2)|0> = x1ψ+(x1+(x2)|0> ?

I'm thinking that this relationship is itself an assumption, that it is itself the mathematical statement that the parameters of the field are to be interpreted as spatial position. Comments?

The question could of course be rephrased in terms of the momentum operators with respect to the creation operator a+(p). What is the relationship between the parameter p in a+(p) and the observable P?
 
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Bumping, just this once.

Interested in your thoughts. - T
 
Note: regarding deleteld posts

Now that (I think) I have properly understood the "spirit" of the question, I realize that the remarks which were made in my previous entries to this thread were not entirely appropriate.

Those entries have, therefore, been removed.
 
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The "position eigenstates" constructed in this way are not orthogonal. (More precisely, they are orthogonal in the non-relativistic case, but not in the relativistic case.) Consequently, you cannot construct the corresponding position operator from these states. In other words, in relativistic quantum (field) theory a relativistic-covariant position operator does not exist.

In the case of momentum, such a problem does not exist.
 
Thanks for the reply, D. I missed it last year when you posted it. I don't usually watch a thread for a response for FOUR YEARS. But seeing as I still haven't learned QFT well, I'm still interested.

So are we saying that QFT cannot answer the question, "What is the probability of observing a particle in volume V?" If so, doesn't that mean it cannot even tell us the rate at which particles will "tunnel" through a barrier?
 
Hi pellman,

I was struggling with exactly these questions for many years, and, finally, I think, I got the answers.

The short answer is that the parameter x in quantum fields has nothing to do with the quantum-mechanical position operator, or its eigenvalues. A longer answer can be found in

E. V. Stefanovich, "Is Minkowski space-time compatible with quantum mechanics?", Found. Phys., 32 (2002), 673.

Even more details are in http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0504062

Eugene.
 
Demystifier said:
The "position eigenstates" constructed in this way are not orthogonal. (More precisely, they are orthogonal in the non-relativistic case, but not in the relativistic case.)

Is this because <y|x> would equal [tex]<0| \phi(y) \phi(x)|0>[/tex] (for a scalar field), which is sort of like the time-ordered vacuum expectation value without the time-order? In fact, presumably |x> and |y> are measured at equal time.
 
Demystifier said:
The "position eigenstates" constructed in this way are not orthogonal. (More precisely, they are orthogonal in the non-relativistic case, but not in the relativistic case.) Consequently, you cannot construct the corresponding position operator from these states. In other words, in relativistic quantum (field) theory a relativistic-covariant position operator does not exist.

Yes, it is impossible to construct an operator of position, whose components transform as components of a 4-vector. However, this does not mean that a relativistically invariant position operator does not exist. The Newton-Wigner position operator satisfies all reasonable relativistic requirements.
 
meopemuk said:
E. V. Stefanovich, "Is Minkowski space-time compatible with quantum mechanics?", Found. Phys., 32 (2002), 673.

Even more details are in http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0504062

Thank you, Eugene. This looks interesting. Are you the author?

Yes, it is impossible to construct an operator of position, whose components transform as components of a 4-vector.

But why do we have to construct one at all? I probably just need to understand QFT better, but in quantum mechanics the position operator is just a given, a fundamental part of the theory.

I look forward reading the book.
 
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pellman said:
But why do we have to construct one [position operator transforming as a 4-vector] at all?

That's exactly the question we need to ask. It is commonly assumed that relativistic invariance demands that all quantities (like position-time, momentum-energy) must transform under boosts as 4-scalars, 4-vectors, 4-tensors, etc. However, I wasn't able to find a definitive proof of this statement in textbooks. I am quite sure that other transformation laws (non-linear, interaction-dependent, etc.) do not contradict the principle of relativity.
 
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In the meantime, I have also made some advances regarding these questions:

First, the time operator in QM can be introduced in the same way as the space operator:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0811.1905 [Int. J. Quantum Inf. 7 (2009) 595-602]

Second, it can be generalized to quantum field theory as well
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0904.2287

Third, such a symmetric treatment of time and space in quantum theory can be used to resolve the black-hole information paradox
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0905.0538 [Phys. Lett. B 678 (2009) 218-221]
 
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Thanks a lot. I am especially interested in "QFT as pilot-wave theory of particle creation and destruction" I will be looking at that ASAP.
 
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The original question is discussed in the non-relativistic limit in David Tong's lecture notes - at the bottom of page 23.
 

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