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Jun9-08, 10:12 AM   #18
 

FTL Communication-Best Candidate?


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But one should add that the Dopfer thesis actually stresses (page 44-47), that this setup can't be used to achieve ftl communication (fortunately I can read German). In fact the interferences, which can be destroyed are found only in coincidence measurements, which cannot carry ftl information anyway. In this case the single photon at the double slit will never show any interference phenomena as it is as incoherent as thermal light and the down conversion nonlinear crystal is located too close to the double slit to have the photons in one arm show interference.

However you can have single photon interference by just increasing the distance of the crystal to the double slit. Now you have photon self interference, but the large distance decreases the number of states in k-space (roughly speaking the number of possible directions a photon can have, when it goes through the double slit). This destroys the interference pattern in the coincidence count data. So it is your choice: single photon interference or interference in coincidence counting. Both at once is not possible and therefore there will be no instantaneous information transfer.
What do you mean the coincident measurments cannot carry ftl information. This is due to the experiemental setup of the crystal location correct, and not because it's not possible?
Jun9-08, 04:22 PM   #19
 
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What do you mean the coincident measurments cannot carry ftl information. This is due to the experiemental setup of the crystal location correct, and not because it's not possible?
No, coincidence counting means you have to compare data from two spatially separated detectors. So you have to send the data from A to B to get some information. This data cannot be transferred faster than light, therefore there is no possibility for ftl information transfer by means of experiments, which require coincidence counting.
Jun9-08, 04:29 PM   #20
 
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No, coincidence counting means you have to compare data from two spatially separated detectors. So you have to send the data from A to B to get some information. This data cannot be transferred faster than light, therefore there is no possibility for ftl information transfer by means of experiments, which require coincidence counting.
If you have two momentum entangled photons, one heading down axis "a" and the other down axis "b" and you destroy all the axis "a" photons by measuring their position, all the axis "b" photons should not interefere with themsselves because you have forced them into a postion definite state. Setting up a double slit on axis b and observing no intereference would be a good indication the other photons are being measured given most of the photons are being down converted and are entangled.
Jun9-08, 06:10 PM   #21
 
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If you have two momentum entangled photons, one heading down axis "a" and the other down axis "b" and you destroy all the axis "a" photons by measuring their position, all the axis "b" photons should not interefere with themsselves because you have forced them into a postion definite state. Setting up a double slit on axis b and observing no intereference would be a good indication the other photons are being measured given most of the photons are being down converted and are entangled.
The flaw in this scheme is exactly, what I explained in my last post. See page 46 of the Dopfer thesis for a detailed explanation. To cut it short single photon interferences and coincidence count interferences are complementary. If you have coincidence count interferences, you can do position measurements, but there is no single photon interference pattern to destroy because the light source in this single arm is too incoherent to produce an interference pattern.

On the other hand, if there is a single photon interference pattern in one arm, this means automatically, that the momentum entanglement is already destroyed and the two photons behave like independent photons. You can imagine this as happening due to the strong decrease in possible directions (or k-vectors) for the photon as you increase the distance between the crystal and the double slit. As mentioned before this decrease destroys the coincidence count interference pattern, which is a measure of the degree of entanglement.

This is not a consequence of the geometry, but a general problem. You want to have as few k-vectors as possible to enlarge coherence, but you need many k-vectors to achieve meaningful momentum entanglement.

The references 23-25 in the Dopfer thesis also discuss this problem a bit.
Jun9-08, 07:15 PM   #22
 
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1st Question:
Just how firmly established is the idea that, not only can't anything with a non-zero mass be accelerated to C+ speeds, but that *information*, of *any* kind, can not be sent from one point to another in less time than it would take a beam of light to cover the distance in a total vacuum?

I can understand why anything with a non-zero mass would fall under that restriction, but I'm at a loss to understand how information would also fall under that same restriction.

2nd Question:
Working on the (possibly bad) assumption that the answer to the above question isn't by any means set in stone, and is therefore still up for debate between people with a sufficient background in the necessary areas of expertise, what, at the moment, are the best candidates for at least some semblance of a possibility of FTL communication?
I think this wiki page addresses your questions.

Quote from Wikipedia: "Science fiction style space travel, dubbed "True" FTL, in which matter exceeds the speed of light in its own frame of reference, defies known physics. On the other hand, what some physicists refer to as "apparent" or "effective" FTL[1][2][3][4] is the hypothesis that unusually distorted regions of spacetime might permit matter to reach distant locations faster than what it would take light in the "normal" route (though still moving subluminally through the distorted region). Apparent FTL is not excluded by general relativity. Examples of apparent FTL proposals are the Alcubierre drive and the traversable wormholes, although the physical plausibility of these solutions is uncertain."
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