What Is the Difference Between Dark Matter and Dark Energy?

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The discussion centers on the differences between dark matter and dark energy, exploring their roles in the universe, particularly in relation to the expanding universe. Participants inquire about their properties, discovery, and the proportions of each in the total mass-energy content of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that dark matter accounts for the gravitational mass in galaxies, contributing to the flat rotation curves observed.
  • Others argue that dark energy is responsible for the accelerating expansion of the universe, with some suggesting it behaves more like energy than mass.
  • One participant mentions that dark matter may consist of exotic particles like WIMPs or MACHOs, while dark energy might be associated with a scalar field called quintessence.
  • There is a claim that dark energy has a constant energy density and increases as space expands, while dark matter is thought to be concentrated in galaxies.
  • Some participants discuss the proportions of dark energy, dark matter, and baryonic matter, with estimates varying between 70% to 75% for dark energy and around 25% for dark matter.
  • Questions are raised about the discovery of dark energy, particularly in relation to observations of supernovae being dimmer than expected.
  • One participant notes that quintessence remains hypothetical and mentions alternative candidates for dark energy, such as acceleressence and phantom energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature and properties of dark matter and dark energy. There is no consensus on the exact proportions of each or the definitive nature of dark energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight uncertainties regarding the discovery of dark energy and the theoretical nature of quintessence, noting that some concepts remain hypothetical and not yet empirically validated.

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dark matter --- dark energy

Can anyone explain to me the difference between dark matter and dark energy ?

What are their proper relations to the expanding universe?

Dark matter should be taken into account because we know not enough matter that can be held responsible for keeping galaxies together right ?


tanti auguri
marlon
 
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marlon said:
Can anyone explain to me the difference between dark matter and dark energy ?

Dark matter is that matter which accounts for the gravitational mass in galazies which makes the rotation curve (rotational speed plotted against distance from center of galaxy) approximately flat. Dark energy is that matter in the universe which is responsible for the accelerating expansion of the universe.

Pete
 
Dark matter is considered to be made from exotic particles like WIMPS (WEAKLY INTERACTING MASSIVE PARTICLES) or MACHOS or it could be made from other undiscovered exotic particles.Dark matter might account for the extra gravity that allows stars to have higher velocities than normal in spiral galaxies and that allows galaxies to orbit one another at speeds far higher than Newton's laws allow (Modified Newtonian Dynamics, MOND, a theory by Mordechai Milgrom,changes Newton's force law and accounts for experimental data very closely indeed but no-one knows why MOND works!).Dark energy is considered exist everywhere in the universe and to be more energy like than mass like - hence the name dark energy .Many theorists believe dark energy is a scalar field called quintessence (there is also a version called spintessence).Dark energy has a constant energy density throughout the universe
and the total amount of dark energy increases as space expands (some people think the extra dark energy is made from gravitational potential energy).Dark energy appears as the cosmological constant in Friedmanns's equations and has negative pressure - it is gravitationally repulsive and it is causing the expansion of the universe to accelerate .Observations of the brightness of the same supernovae at different times have confirmed that the expansion is accelerating-the supernovae are dimmer than expected after a fixed time has elapsed, so they are further away than can be explained by a uniform velocity.It is not known for sure that dark matter exists but the
evidence for dark energy is convincing.Dark energy may be dark matter in some theories.Most of the mass of the universe is considered to be in the form of dark energy - at least 70 per cent.
 
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pmb_phy said:
Dark matter is that matter which accounts for the gravitational mass in galazies which makes the rotation curve (rotational speed plotted against distance from center of galaxy) approximately flat. Dark energy is that matter in the universe which is responsible for the accelerating expansion of the universe.

Pete


Thanks, Pete for replying.

I have one question though. Do we have any idea on much percent of the "total mass" is dark energy, dark matter and just the kown matter?

for example : 75% dark energy, 14% dark matter, 1% kown matter?

How can we distinguish between dark energy and dark matter ?? How were they discovered ?
 
I heard that the universe is something like 70%dark matter. And to answer your last question, dark matter was first proposed because stars around gallaxies accelerate at the smae rate, no matter if they are close or near the black hole in the centre, this is why there is a lot of dark matter found at the edge of gallaxies.
 
70 % dark Energy,25 % dark Matter, and 5 % baryonic matter.
We are made from baryonic matter.
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But how is this socalled quintessence been discovered and why is the dark energy represented by a scalar field ?

I know that scalar field do not interact through elektromagnetic interactions because of the spin 0 quanta that they carry. Does this have anything to do with the discovery of dark energy.


Nenad, thanks for explaining the dark matter-discovery, i got the point...

Thanks also to my dear Yang-Mills-friend Kurious

marlon (not brando, unfortunately)
 
Dark energy was discovered because of the supernovae being dimmer than expected - in 1998, I think.
 
marlon: quintessence has not been discovered yet, it's only hypothetical

there are other proposed candidates to act like dark energy: acceleressence, phantom energy, Chaplygin gas, kinessence,...
 
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kurious said:
Dark energy was discovered because of the supernovae being dimmer than expected - in 1998, I think.


ok, but how is this related exactly to dark energy and what about that scalar field quintessence ?

regards
marlon
 
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Marlon:
ok, but how is this related exactly to dark energy and what about that scalar field quintessence ?

Kurious:

The brightness of light from a supernova at one point in time can be compared to the brightness of light from the same supernova at a later time.The light is much less bright than expected when it is measured at the later time because something is causing the supernova to move away from the Earth faster than expected.
Dark energy is believed to be causing this faster than expected movement by speeding up the rate of expansion of space.Einstein had already guessed that such a negative pressure - which is what dark energy is - could exist, and put it into one of his equations as the so-called cosmological constant.Nobody knows what dark energy is made from- is it waves particles etc.Some theorists are saying that dark energy is
the energy associated with a scalar field called quintessence - a field new to science -
that fills all of space.
 
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thanks to you all for explaining

marlon
 

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