What Causes the Colorful Patterns in Soap Bubbles?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the colorful patterns and movements observed in soap bubbles, specifically focusing on the nature of the "particle-shapes" that appear and their dynamics. Participants explore the underlying physics, including concepts of light interference and fluid dynamics, while also questioning the role of air currents and surface tension.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment with soap bubbles and notes the appearance of colorful patterns and "particle-shapes" that seem to move in random directions, questioning the cause of this movement.
  • Another participant identifies the phenomenon as a basic interferometer effect, explaining that variations in soap film thickness lead to constructive and destructive interference of light, resulting in the observed colors.
  • A different participant emphasizes that their inquiry is focused on the movement and patterns rather than the colors, suggesting that air currents do not account for the observed "particle-shapes."
  • One participant hypothesizes that the non-uniform thickness of the bubble film, influenced by external forces, causes variations in color due to interference.
  • Another participant reports their own observations of the "particles," interpreting them as air bubbles within the soap film, which are influenced by surface tension and gravity.
  • There is a debate about the movement of the "particles," with one participant asserting they mostly move downwards while another claims they predominantly move upwards, raising questions about the factors influencing their motion.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of the swirling patterns observed, with one participant questioning how variations in thickness could lead to such erratic movements.
  • A final comment introduces the concept of surface tension and references ongoing research related to bubble dynamics and critical points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causes of the observed patterns and movements in soap bubbles, with no consensus reached on the underlying mechanisms. Some focus on light interference, while others emphasize fluid dynamics and surface tension.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the phenomena, including the dependence on the soap film's thickness and the influence of air currents, but do not resolve the various interpretations or assumptions regarding the movement of the "particles."

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To know what I'm talking about you'll have to do a little experiment...

Go to your bathroom, take some soap and foam up your hands. Make a "bubble" with your index finger and your thumb, then reflect the light from a lamp in the "bubble". After a little while oil-like rainbowcolored patterns will appear. In the beginning, make sure you don't breath or blow on the bubble.

In the oil-pattern you should see particle-shapes in various sizes traveling from one side to the other (or to the center). A few might shoot by in a random direction with high speed.

HOW do these shapes form ? where do they come from [?] ... To me the whole thing looks sort of like a bubblechamber where particles enter and leave traces, except these particles would be enormous ! :smile:

When the bubble is filled with colors and particle-shapes, try blowing VERY gently on it.

What happens is that the patterns start freaking out ! .. They twist and turn very fast in seemingly random directions !

Could someone please explain why this happens ? .. I can't see how such weak air turbulence could cause movement like that in the soap.
 
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You've just constructed a basic interferometer!

What happens is that the thickness of the soap film determines which wavelengths of light will interfere constructively and which destructively; and hence which colors you see reflected. Very small changes in the thickness of the film -- a few hundred nanometers -- will cause a change in colors. So it's very sensitive; the patterns you see at the beginning are probably due to the bubble slowly thinning or flattening under its own weight or very slight air currents.

This effect, interferometry, is widely used to make precision measurements.
 
My enquiry was not about the colors, but the patterns & movement that arise in the colors. I don't believe aircurrents explain the particle-shapes that show up.

I suggest you do the "experiment" so you'll see what I'm talking about :smile:.
 
hehe we were just learning about thin film interference in class this past week!


What I guess happens is the bubble isn't uniformly the same thickness...so as the soap kinda swirls around the bubble (affected by outside forces like gravity and the air) the thickness changes slightly at various points, causing destrictuve/constructive to occur at various points..

Again, this is just a hypothesis..but it sounds right.
 
do the experiment then read my first post again. I'm not wondering about the interference.
 
Hydr0matic, I just tried to reproduce your results. OK, I saw the 'particles': hundreds of them. They appeared white on a backgound of rainbow colors. They didn't move much, but if they did, then mostly downwards. They became less over a period of some seconds. Then, as almost all 'particles' had vanished, I blew on the film. Rainbow colors went turbulent.

My interpretation: The particles are little bubbles of air enclosed in the water film. They can't (as an air bubble would in a liquid) move upwards. That's because, via surface tension & hydrogen bonds, part of the mass of water surrounding a bubble is attracted to the bubble, so it forms a massive object inside the water film. Which tends to move down.
Blowing on the film, of course, causes air turbulence. Which induces the film to form erratic variations in thickness, making the rainbow colors go gaga.
 
Hydr0matic, I just tried to reproduce your results. OK, I saw the 'particles': hundreds of them. They appeared white on a backgound of rainbow colors.
White ? you sure ? .. the ones I see are as colored as everything around 'em.


They didn't move much, but if they did, then mostly downwards.
You sure ? .. I've studied the phenomena a total of about 45 min, and I'm pretty sure most of the "particles" move upwards. Try tilting your hand back and forth. But you're right, some of 'em move downwards, but how come ? What's the difference between the ones that move up and those that move down ? And another thing - I've tried bulging the bubble outwards and inwards - and neither of these to caused the "particles" to move away from, or into the center. This would imply that their movement is not gravity related, like the "tilting of the hand"-effect suggests.

My interpretation: The particles are little bubbles of air enclosed in the water film. They can't (as an air bubble would in a liquid) move upwards. That's because, via surface tension & hydrogen bonds, part of the mass of water surrounding a bubble is attracted to the bubble, so it forms a massive object inside the water film. Which tends to move down.
Yes, airbubbles is the most likely explanation. But...
1. How do you explain what I mensioned above ?
2. Some of the "particles" emerge in the middle of the bubble, why ?


Blowing on the film, of course, causes air turbulence. Which induces the film to form erratic variations in thickness, making the rainbow colors go gaga.
Yes.. air turbulence... Just help me understand the swirling.. Variations in thickness cause fairly linear and circular patterns, it doesn't cause swirling like that. The swirling must be an effect of the rotating air turbulence, but why does the swirlrotation shift direction so rapidly and intense ? The cause and effect does not seem proportional.


Perhaps I'm making too big 'a deal out of this :wink:
 
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Surface Tension!
Quantum Catastrophe!
Do a search for surface Tension (and) Critical Points, failing that go do a search for Ulf Leonhardt, he is the one who is trying to create 'table top black holes', using a 'orthoscopic cavity', or for the layman, bubble traps.
 

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