Solving the Equation of Motion to Find v[t] and v[x]

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The discussion revolves around the equation of motion for a drag racer experiencing air resistance proportional to the square of velocity. Participants are tasked with finding the velocity as a function of time and distance, denoted as v[t] and v[x]. There is confusion regarding the correct formulation of the forces acting on the racer and the implications of those forces on the equations derived.

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  • Participants explore the formulation of the net force acting on the racer, questioning the inclusion of terms like friction and air resistance. There is discussion about the assumptions regarding maximum acceleration and the interpretation of variables in the equations. Some participants express confusion about the definitions of acceleration and the terms used in the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various interpretations and approaches to the problem. Some have suggested methods for deriving v[t] and v[x], while others are clarifying their understanding of the terms involved. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning have been proposed.

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Participants note that the values provided in the problem may lead to imaginary results, raising questions about the validity of the assumptions or the parameters given. There is also mention of the need to eliminate certain coefficients to solve for terminal velocity, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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A drag racer experiences air resistance equal to -cv². Assuming the racer is designed for maximum acceleration, I am to find v[t] and v[x]. If I can just get the equation of motion I'll be set.

I think it is F = ma - μmg - cv² = m dv/dt. According to the answer, the book thinks it is F = - μmg - cv².

Of course, when I evaluate our answers with the assigned numbers for μ, v, and vt (terminal velocity), we both get imaginary answers. :( I have no clue where we are wrong, but I suppose the books values could be the problem there.
 
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It's definitely not F = ma - μmg - cv². a = dv/dt, so you'd have:

ma - μmg - cv² = m dv/dt
ma - μmg - cv² = ma
-μmg - cv² = 0

Fnet = ma, as you know, so your equation would also be wrong because it's saying:

Fnet = Fnet - μmg - cv²

And you run into the same problem. ma is not one of the forces acting on the body, it is the NET FORCE, so you can't add it with other forces to get the net force.

Anyways, what is it that you need to find?
 
The way I see it, the net force, m dv/dt, is equal to the driving force of the engine (ma) minus the frictional force (μmg) minus the air resistance (cv²). Since the racer is designed for optimal acceleration, I assumed that "ma" was this maximal driving force, a constant.

Anyway, the problem is asking to obtain v[t] and v[x]. Then I am to "eliminate the coefficient of friction and solve the resulting equation numerically for the terminal velocity that can produce the 1988 world record of v=129.1 m/s, with t=4.99s for x=0.4 km."

Funny thing is that the v[t] that the book lists has the term ln[(u+v)/(u-v)] where u is the terminal velocity, which is given as 123.6 m/s in the back. Using the values of v and u, the log is imaginary.

Oh, thanks for your help, as well.
 
TopCat said:
The way I see it, the net force, m dv/dt, is equal to the driving force of the racer (ma) minus the frictional force (μmg) minus the air resistance (cv²). Since the racer is designed for optimal acceleration, I assumed that "ma" was this maximal driving force, a constant.
Okay, well that's just confusing. In that way, "a" is not the acceleration of the vehicle at all, just some constant optimal acceleration. You should replace ma with "Fapplied" or "m*a_optimal" to avoid the confusion.
Anyway, the problem is asking to obtain v[t] and v[x].
Just to clarify, you mean speed (v) as a function of time (t) and distance (x)? I would expect to see this as v(t) and v(x), just not sure exactly what it is. I'll look over that question to see if I can get v(t) and v(x).
 
AKG said:
Okay, well that's just confusing. In that way, "a" is not the acceleration of the vehicle at all, just some constant optimal acceleration. You should replace ma with "Fapplied" or "m*a_optimal" to avoid the confusion.

Just to clarify, you mean speed (v) as a function of time (t) and distance (x)? I would expect to see this as v(t) and v(x), just not sure exactly what it is. I'll look over that question to see if I can get v(t) and v(x).

Yeah, that was confusing. Sorry 'bout that.

v[t] and v[x] are indeed velocity as a function of time and distance. I use the brackets since I've been using mathematica a lot. What I have obtained is:

t = u/(a-g μ) ArcTanh(v/u)

x = -u²/(a-g μ) Ln(v²-u²).
 
Okay, let A represent the optimal acceleration
Let B represent [itex]\mu g[/itex]
Let C represent [itex]\frac{c}{m}[/itex]

[tex]m\frac{dv}{dt} = mA - mB - cv^2[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dv}{dt} = A - B - Cv^2[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dv}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt} = A - B - Cv^2[/tex]

[tex]v\frac{dv}{dx} = A - B - Cv^2[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dv}{dx} = \frac{A - B - Cv^2}{v}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{v}{A - B - Cv^2} dv = dx[/tex]

[tex]\int _{v(x=0)} ^{v(x=x)} \frac{v}{A - B - Cv^2} dv = x[/tex]

Let [itex]u = A - B - Cv^2[/itex]

[tex]\int _{A - B - C[v(x=0)]^2} ^{A - B - C[v(x=x)]^2} \frac{-1}{2C} \frac{du}{u} = x[/tex]

[tex]-\frac{1}{2C} \ln u |_{A - B - C[v(x=0)]^2} ^{A - B - C[v(x=x)]^2} = x[/tex]

[tex]-\frac{1}{2C} \ln \left ( \frac{A - B - C[v(x=x)]^2}{A - B - C[v(x=0)]^2} \right )= x[/tex]

[tex]\frac{A - B - Cv(x)^2}{A - B - Cv_0^2} = e^{-2Cx}[/tex]

Isolate v(x), and you should be okay from there, I think.
 
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TopCat said:
Yeah, that was confusing. Sorry 'bout that.

v[t] and v[x] are indeed velocity as a function of time and distance. I use the brackets since I've been using mathematica a lot. What I have obtained is:

t = u/(a-g μ) ArcTanh(v/u)

x = -u²/(a-g μ) Ln(v²-u²).
Assuming what you have is right:

v(t) = u Tanh [t(a - gμ)/u]

Also, now that you have v in terms of t, you can replace the v's in the second equation, "x = -u²/(a-g μ) Ln(v²-u²)" with a function of t. You'll have x in terms of t. Isolate t, to get t in terms of x. Take that equation and plug it into your equation for v in terms of t, so you'll have v in terms of x, v(x).
 

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