String Theory & Higgs Particle-Force

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between string theory and the Higgs particle, particularly focusing on the role of the Higgs in superstring theory and its implications for mass in particles, including photons. Participants explore theoretical concepts and implications related to mass, fields, and the nature of particles within the framework of string theory.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the Higgs particle in superstring theory, given that mass arises from the vibrational patterns of strings.
  • Another participant proposes a speculative idea that photons could have mass if they exist in a field of photon-sized particles, suggesting that this could relate to the mass of space itself.
  • There is a discussion about the Higgs particle's role in providing mass to particles that are expected to be massless, with a hypothesis that the Higgs field might be a field of particles within atoms that neutralizes mass.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for a response that addresses their question with clarity and depth, indicating a desire to return with further thoughts on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of the Higgs particle in string theory and the nature of mass in particles, particularly photons. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of mass, fields, and the relationship between particles and space are not fully articulated, leading to potential gaps in understanding the implications of the proposed ideas.

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In which of the String theory does the Higgs-'particle-force', dwell?
 
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I do not understand the role of the Higgs particle in superstring theory.
Given that the mass of a particle in superstring theory depends on the vibrational pattern of the string, why do you want a Higgs particle? (It gives masses to other particles in the Standard Model)
 
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A photon is said to have no mass. But what if a photon lives in a field of photon-sized particles? So that its mass is the same as the mass of space? (What if space itself has mass?)

Okay, but, Higgs particles address the fact that particles in objects that should not have mass do have mass. What if photons have mass as well? But their mass is the same as the mass of a "particle of space"? A Higgs particle is a particle inside a molecule or atom that would permeate the atom and neutralize the mass of a particle that is supposed to be massless.

The field density of objects and space has to be different, that is, the makeup of the space inside atoms and empty space has to be different. Using a "field density" that we expect to find in space we measure a particle in an object that is supposed to be massless, and it has mass. So the Higgs Field would be a field of particles inside an atom or molecule that has the same value as the carrier of the electro weak force: the way a photon, which might have mass as well, might be the same weight or value as space itself.
 
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A photon is said to have no mass. But what if a photon lives in a field of photon-sized particles? So that its mass is the same as the mass of space? (What if space itself has mass?)

Okay, but, Higgs particles address the fact that particles in objects that should not have mass do have mass. What if photons have mass as well? But their mass is the same as the mass of a "particle of space"? A Higgs particle is a particle inside a molecule or atom that would permeate the atom and neutralize the mass of a particle that is supposed to be massless.

The field density of objects and space has to be different, that is, the makeup of the space inside atoms and empty space has to be different. Using a "field density" that we expect to find in space we measure a particle in an object that is supposed to be massless, and it has mass. So the Higgs Field would be a field of particles inside an atom or molecule that has the same value as the carrier of the electro weak force: the way a photon, which might have mass as well, might be the same weight or value as space itself.

This has to be the most amazing response to anyone of my questions, a question that has the least amount of handwaving, even though I had pondered how I could ask a specific question, but in a subtle way, congratulations!

I will return with a specific line of thought and reasoning of where and how I came to ask such a simple question, in the meantime I commend your intuitive and precise response.

In the meantime another post that conspires to ellude:https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=25826
[posting #7]

Edited for reference to link
 
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